Posted on 10/04/2013 2:11:50 PM PDT by jodyel
The 70th week will end “after the tribulation of those days,” and at the last trump when his sheep are Resurrected.
The tribulation begins in the middle of that 70th week. (if you believe Daniel, anyway)
>> “And until people understand what His plan is as given to us in prophesy they will always believe in error.” <<
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Yet you openly reject his clearest prophecies.
So the 70th week is only 3 ½ years? And the church and Israel are not separate but one while God deals with Israel’s 70th week as prophesied in Daniel. Did I get that right?
"For I speak to you GENTILES, inasmuch as I AM THE APOSTLE OF THE GENTILES, I magnify mine office." Rom. 11:13. That's ROMANS, the Book you like to quote from.
Do you think Paul was a liar? Or a shyster? Or crazy? There are a lot of Catholics, right here on this forum, who believe those things about Paul. WHY? Because they can't reconcile the things he writes about with the OT, Matthew through John, the early Acts, and Hebrews through Revelation. WHY? Because they don't rightly divide God's word of truth. That simple..
You have given no scripture that supports your view of prophesy. Only your words without supporting scripture. When you do post scripture it’s clearly shown that your view of it is in error.
Well, now you’re just flat out denying what God has CLEARLY said. There aren’t 3 1/2 days left of Daniel’s week, there are 7. What do you suppose God is going to do with the OTHER 3 1/2 days left?
I have shown from Revelation 6 that you statement is incorrect but you simply denied it with no supporting scripture for your position. You really need to show us what web sites support your position.
Who is the 'barren woman' of Isaiah 54? read 53-54 for context... She is not the married wife, she was divorced in her youth, and not forgiven, whereas the married wife is not divorced... She cannot be the gentiles, as she inherits the gentiles... She cannot be the church, as the church is not barren, and was never divorced...
editor-surveyor is right.
As opposed to Israel, which was the whole point of PROPHECY, prophesied in Scripture since the world began (Acts 3:21).
If you rightly divided God's word of truth, it would be clear to you. Now, if something is PROPHESIED since the world began, and something is SECRET, HIDDEN, since the world began, they CANNOT be the same thing. One is KNOWN, and one is SECRET. Get it?
Then just the simple question: Who is the barren woman?
Why does that negate the plan from the beginning of the world?
She is composed of the Jews who were dispersed around the world and will be brought back to the land of Israel.
"For a brief moment I abandoned you, but with deep compassion I will bring you back. In a surge of anger I hid my face from you for a moment, but with everlasting kindness I will have compassion on you," says the LORD your Redeemer. "To me this is like the days of Noah, when I swore that the waters of Noah would never again cover the earth. So now I have sworn not to be angry with you, never to rebuke you again. Though the mountains be shaken and the hills be removed, yet my unfailing love for you will not be shaken nor my covenant of peace be removed," says the LORD, who has compassion on you. (Isaiah 54:7-10)
They are genetic Jews and are not Gentiles.
"See, it is I who created the blacksmith who fans the coals into flame and forges a weapon fit for its work. And it is I who have created the destroyer to work havoc; no weapon forged against you will prevail, and you will refute every tongue that accuses you. This is the heritage of the servants of the LORD, and this is their vindication from me," declares the LORD.(Isaiah 54:16-17)
He is clearly addressing the Jews and not Gentiles.
That is not so, today, in the age of grace. We are ALL on the same, level playing ground. There is neither Jew nor Gentile right now. We approach God individually, not THROUGH a nation.
BTW: re-read Matthew, Chapters 10 and 15. Clearly, He states He was NOT sent to anyone but the LOST SHEEP OF THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL. There's a reason for that, too. Rightly dividing God's word of truth would show you.
I think you’re right on this one. I was comparing the barren woman to proselytes, who had to go through Israel in order to approach God. But I think you’re correct..
That cannot be - The Jews are the married wife. (see Is 52)
"For a brief moment I abandoned you, but with deep compassion I will bring you back. In a surge of anger I hid my face from you for a moment, but with everlasting kindness I will have compassion on you," says the LORD your Redeemer.”
God never abandoned any one else to later “bring you back”. It’s clear they are descendents of the Jews and not Gentiles. God never hid his face from the Gentiles for a moment to bring them back.
That cannot be - she inherits the gentiles. Those who are not Israel, who come through Israel, would be the gentiles.
The "church" (those in Messiah) will indeed witness much of the tribulation, as the scriptures clearly show. Those in Messiah will be called up on the day of the lord (in the twinkling of an eye) when the bowls of wrath will be poured out, beginning the worst of the tribulation (the wrath).
Thanks for the input, but I trust God’s Word alone. I’m not asking you to believe me, that would be stupid. I’m asking you to compare Scripture with Scripture, and find out where you are on God’s time line. And what He desires from you, during this time. The rest is just conjecture, opinion and debate. Nothing that could destroy a person, but interesting, nonetheless. Regards, smvoice
You hadn’t heard that God abandoned Israel for a time when they denied Christ and accepted His blood on their hands?
Paul says they had a hardening in part.
Rom 11:25 I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in.
There was a reason God abandoned them for a period.
Rom 11:11-12 "Again I ask: Did they (nation of Israel) stumble so as to fall beyond recovery? Not at all! Rather, because of their transgression, salvation has come to the Gentiles to make Israel envious. But if their transgression means riches for the world, and their loss means riches for the Gentiles, how much greater riches will their fullness bring!
Notice the end of verse 12. “how much greater riches will their fullness bring! As is shown in Isaiah 54, and other places, their restoration will be greater than any time before.
God didn’t abandon them forever.
Rom 11:28 As far as the gospel is concerned, they (nation of Israel) are enemies on your account; but as far as election is concerned, they (nation of Israel) are loved on account of the patriarchs, for God’s gifts and his call are irrevocable.
Why was the Mystery, hid in God, hidden since the foundation of the world, until revealed to Paul? (Ephesians) It is called a secret(Romans 16:25,26). Why?
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