Posted on 09/24/2013 3:15:26 PM PDT by James R. Aist
You're the one who posted the scriptures. What do you think.....
As I was taught that God destroyed Sodom and Gammorah because of homosexuality and bestiality. Please prove He didn’t.
Great article, from what I’ve read of it so far. Thanks for posting, James.
I think James’ question was meant to be rhetorical.
You’re welcome.
What do you think I think?
Well I know for a fact that Obama says he is a Christian, and he is a great and learned man. If Obama says Homosexuality is fine who is God to deny it?
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You also don’t need the Bible to know that bug chasing and gift giving are wrong, but the left expects us to accept that behavior as if nothing was wrong with it.
They left out Exodus 20:17.
Depends on the translation. If they are using the NLGBTV, probably not.
I meant, it probably doesn't condemn it.
Note to the humor impaired: this is quite possibly sarcasm.
I assume you are referring to the so-called “Queen James Version”? Yes, it does exist.
In general terms it is associated with increasing social anarchy. Rome is always a good example. Homosexuality was so remarkable that Livy even named the first instance of homosexuality in Roman history.
“The devil can cite Scripture for his purpose.” _Shakespeare (Merchant of Venice)
My views (quoting scripture, but in the hope that God’s words will speak for themselves, rather than for my own ends):
- Genesis 19:5: “And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, where are the men which came in to thee this night? Bring them out unto us, that we may know them.”
If this passage stood alone, one could be convinced (as liberals argue) that the sin of Sodom was homosexual rape, not homosexuality.
- Leviticus 18:22: “Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.”
This passage has no reasonable ambiguity, whether in translation (check the Hebrew), in scriptural context (this condemnation is between general condemnations of child sacrifice and of sex with animals, not in some specific setting that narrows the applicability), or in historical context. This has nothing to do with rape or with prostitution. This is about gay men acting on homosexual urges, but it says nothing about celibate men with homosexual orientation or about lesbians. This passage’s position on male homosexuals acting on that urge is absolute. It’s not saying they are wrong to be attracted to men, just that they are wrong to act on that desire.
- Leviticus 20:13: “If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.”
[Same comments as Leviticus 18.]
- Deuteronomy 23:17: “ There shall be no whore of the daughters of Israel, nor a sodomite of the sons of Israel.”
If you accept the liberal interpretation of Genesis 19:5, this can be dismissed.
-Judges 19:22: “Now as they were making their hearts merry, behold, the men of the city, certain sons of Belial, beset the house round about, and beat at the door, and spake to the master of the house, the old man, saying, Bring forth the man that came into thine house, that we may know him.”
- 1 Kings 14:24: “And there were also sodomites in the land: and they did according to all the abominations of the nations which the LORD cast out before the children of Israel.”
- 1 Kings 15:12: “And he took away the sodomites out of the land, and removed all the idols that his fathers had made.”
- 1 Kings 22:46: “And the remnant of the sodomites, which remained in the days of his father Asa, he took out of the land.”
- 2 Kings 23:7: “And he brake down the houses of the sodomites, that were by the house of the LORD, where the women wove hangings for the grove.” [Same comments as Deuteronomy 23:17.]
- Romans 1:26-27: “For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.”
As with Leviticus 18:22, this is a clear and unambiguous condemnation of homosexual actions. This broadens the Leviticus position to a condemnation of lesbian acts as well. Some liberals argue that Romans 1 only condemns homosexual sex among those who are not attracted to the same sex (for them, homosexual actions are “against nature”), but that is clear nonsense. Reading this in Greek, the meaning is unambiguous and could not have been confused by cultural differences.
- 1 Corinthians 6:9: “Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind.”
Liberals who argue that this does not apply to homosexuals may actually be correct, but I am uncertain. This is one of the rare times when the subtleties of the words really do introduce (at least to my mind) the ambiguity that the leftists claim. They are obviously wrong on what scripture as a whole says, but I would not go to this passage to support that position.
- 1 Timothy 1:9-10: “Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;”
As with 1 Corinthians 6:9, this is not the passage I would go to to argue that the Bible condemns homosexual actions. I think it’s clear, but the reading is more difficult than many of the others, without being quite as ambiguous as 1 Corinthians 6:9.
I believe we should the sinner, as Jesus does, and hate the sin. I especially hate that they are trying to deem it normal and require the rest of us to bow down to their wishes.
They should pick up a Bible and learn what the pagans were doing to honor their gods. These people are performing the same acts.
No.
You don’t happen to work for MSNBC, do you?
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