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It’s Biblical to Ask Saints to Pray for Us
Ignitum Today ^ | 15 September 2013 | Matthew Olson

Posted on 09/15/2013 1:37:28 PM PDT by matthewrobertolson

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1 posted on 09/15/2013 1:37:28 PM PDT by matthewrobertolson
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To: matthewrobertolson

Is it Biblical for men to raise another man to be a Saint?


2 posted on 09/15/2013 1:40:02 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver

no


3 posted on 09/15/2013 1:43:28 PM PDT by svcw (Stand or die)
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To: matthewrobertolson

so. .
if we determine that ‘saints’ means dead Christians despite the way Paul uses it (in scripture)
and we see that they pray to God
and we impose upon them what they are praying about
we can therefore claim it is scriptural to pray TO them

i see that
no.
really.
perfectly clear.


4 posted on 09/15/2013 1:44:37 PM PDT by will of the people
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To: driftdiver

since a saint is someone known to be in Heaven, of course it’s not possible for a man to raise a soul to saint status


5 posted on 09/15/2013 1:45:33 PM PDT by Hegewisch Dupa
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To: will of the people
That doesn't seem to follow at all.

A few flaws in your logic -- you can't impose what they pray about, you can't force them to your will. Even if it were possible, they cannot answer prayers by their own power, merely pass them on to God. So how would it make sense to pray TO them, when they have no personal ability to answer prayers?

6 posted on 09/15/2013 1:50:37 PM PDT by Wyrd bið ful aræd (Gone Galt, 11/07/12----No king but Christ! Don't tread on me!)
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To: matthewrobertolson

Is the saint acting as an intermediary between us and Jesus or does one asks for a saint’s intercessory prayers on our behalf and vice versa?


7 posted on 09/15/2013 1:52:12 PM PDT by madameguinot
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To: driftdiver; svcw; Hegewisch Dupa

Of course not, driftdiver. But it is certainly acceptable to recognize someone’s virtuous earthly life, in this case via the process of canonization.


8 posted on 09/15/2013 1:53:31 PM PDT by matthewrobertolson
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To: Hegewisch Dupa; driftdiver
since a saint is someone known to be in Heaven, of course it’s not possible for a man to raise a soul to saint status

Since certain men claim to "know" that someone enters Heaven, driftdiver's question is all the more pertinent.

9 posted on 09/15/2013 1:54:10 PM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: matthewrobertolson

Aren’t there any saints on earth?


10 posted on 09/15/2013 1:54:44 PM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd
i was recapping the flawed logic of the original post here: :)
11 posted on 09/15/2013 1:54:52 PM PDT by will of the people
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To: matthewrobertolson

>>1 Timothy 2:5 — the infamous “one mediator between God and men” verse — refers to salvation, not prayer.

OK, but that doesn’t tell me to NOT pray to the Father in Jesus’ name either. We have the Holy Spirit living inside us, and that connects us directly to the Father through Jesus. What is the value of praying to dead humans when I have a direct line to a living and true God?


12 posted on 09/15/2013 1:55:48 PM PDT by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: fwdude

Aren’t there any saints on earth?

by the grace of God, there are


13 posted on 09/15/2013 1:56:35 PM PDT by will of the people
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To: matthewrobertolson

We talk to God and ask for things in Jesus’ name; we do not talk to the dead. That is not biblical unless one twists its words.


14 posted on 09/15/2013 1:56:58 PM PDT by CincyRichieRich (“Life is hard, but it’s harder when you’re stupid.” John Wayne)
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To: fwdude

only for those who chose to ignore God’s miracles. Which makes nothing but sense for a Christian, because The Lord never utilizes miracles. You are so very right, thanks for your input.


15 posted on 09/15/2013 1:57:23 PM PDT by Hegewisch Dupa
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To: madameguinot

Good question, madameguinot. One would ask for a saint’s intercessory prayers on his/her behalf or on behalf of someone else. The saints’ intercessions, however, are no replacement for a personal relationship with God. Oftentimes, though, we can get closer to Him through the heavenly saints.


16 posted on 09/15/2013 1:57:31 PM PDT by matthewrobertolson
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To: CincyRichieRich

ever hear of the eternal soul? It’s kinda the whole point of everything. Too much necrophilia in these threads.


17 posted on 09/15/2013 1:59:13 PM PDT by Hegewisch Dupa
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To: Bryanw92

Exactly!


18 posted on 09/15/2013 2:00:24 PM PDT by Warriormom
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To: Bryanw92

I answered that in the post.

“Because the saints have reached perfection (they are in Heaven), their prayers are more effective than the prayers of those that are less righteous, so that’s why one might ask them to pray instead of asking another Christian on earth or simply doing it themselves.”


19 posted on 09/15/2013 2:01:10 PM PDT by matthewrobertolson
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To: Hegewisch Dupa

“Too much necrophilia in these threads.”

Yeah- we protestants are way too into relics and prayers to the dead and stuff.

Good point
(sarc)


20 posted on 09/15/2013 2:01:47 PM PDT by will of the people
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