WHY ARE OUR CATHOLIC LAITY SO ILLITERATE WHEN IT COMES TO THE CATHOLIC FAITH

Southern Orders ^ | May 31, 2013 | Fr. Allan J. McDonald

[editor-surveyor]

Is that your personal testimony?

[verga]

I’m a Christian, a follower of Christ. My identity is in Him, not a denomination. Denominations are just labels. They don’t define who I am in Christ.

NAILED IT!

[MarkBsnr]

Sure. Jesus and God are one.

John 10:30.

You people are so odd, trying on the names of Christianity and meaning so different.

[RegulatorCountry]

Bless your heart, my mom's getting like that too. Here, to refresh your memory:

Einstein indicates that it is all relative, lol, and entirely dependent upon frame of reference, that science can formulate laws in support of either one. A matter of opinion, essentially. There apparently is strong bias against even our solar system being special in any way, let alone this planet. Whether we’re sitting still with the planets swirling, the sun arcing and the universe ever so slowly spinning around us, or spinning in place, or the whole shooting match is in motion, is irrelevant. The one is no more “right” than the other and entirely dependent upon perspective. Again, this is according to Einstein and Special Relativity, so spare the freakout about geocentrism. I’m no more and no less of a geocentrist than he was.

That little "lol" thingie indicates an intent to be humorous. Einstein and Special Relativity should be self-explanatory, but it appears there is still some confusion.

Just let me know where you need help, here, and I'll certainly try. You deserve no less as a fellow FReeper and apparently a Christian as well. Correct me if I'm wrong about that.

[verga]

...Likely then that Jesus chose someone else before Mary and that girl said no...Maybe lotsa times...

Documetnation please or admit YOU are making stuff up.

[editor-surveyor]

James, the “Bishop of Jerusalem” was indeed the second son of Mary, who was no longer virgin after James was conceived.

Reading the gospels would be of great value to your edification.

[Natural Law]

"James, the “Bishop of Jerusalem” was indeed the second son of Mary..."

Oh, hogwash! That is precisely the problem the Sola Scriptura crowd gets itself into when they attempt to make conclusions from fallible inferences based upon incomplete information. When reviewed in the context of the full Sacred Deposit of Faith the perpetual Virginity of Mary is obvious. If they would put as much energy and effort into seeking the truth as they do into disproving the Church their Salvation would not remain in such peril.

Peace be to you

[editor-surveyor]

Mary was Joseph's only wife, and her fulfillment in raising a large and healthy family is to her greatest credit. The NT scriptures do not treat Mary particularly well, but that likely was due to the strong impressions Yeshua left on his disciples by having to make so many dismissals of her importance to him to counter the errors that he knew were coming from RCC heresy in the next few centuries.

[RegulatorCountry]

Is your Salvation assured, Natural Law?

[editor-surveyor]

Nice to know that you consider the scriptures to be ‘fallible,’ while the fanciful story telling of the babblers of the distant past to be “complete information.”

“Christian Pharisees” are all that the RCC is.

[Natural Law]

"Mary was Joseph's only wife..."

Now it is you who have gone off the reservation and are dabbling in extra-scriptural speculations. Wishing it so does not make it so. You are going to have to prove this from Scripture, chapter and verse or abandon the SS argument forever.

Peace be with you

[Natural Law]

"Nice to know that you consider the scriptures to be ‘fallible,"

That was a rather clumsy attempt at a straw man, but I did not say Scripture was fallible, I said your inferences were.

[Natural Law]

"Is your Salvation assured, Natural Law?"

I am assured that there is a plan for my Salvation.

[RegulatorCountry]

So, to your understanding, the plan of Salvation is somewhat less imperiled in your particular instance than would be the case for, oh I don’t know, let’s just say for instance ... a repentant, faithful, believing, baptized Southern Baptist?

[Natural Law]

"So, to your understanding, the plan of Salvation is somewhat less imperiled in your particular instance than would be the case for, oh I don’t know, let’s just say for instance ... a repentant, faithful, believing, baptized Southern Baptist?"

No. There is a unique plan for Salvation for each of us, not a one-size-fits-all proposition.

Peace be with you

[bkaycee]

They Hyperdulia Mary.

[bkaycee]

Glass Houses?

[editor-surveyor]

Reading the plain words of the scriptures is not ‘inference.’

Nor is framing your plain words a ‘strawman.’

[editor-surveyor]

No, it is your recall from vapor that demands proof!

The NT scriptures state plainly that Mary had children.