Posted on 05/10/2013 7:36:49 PM PDT by boatbums
Where have I not told someone the truth?
To easy, any time you disagreed with the Catholic Church or me. ;) Where have you cited non-Catholic sources?
On several threads, specifically the ones about "Three days in the tomb" and about how Jewish people view a "memorial" as an actual participation in the original event. I specifically told you not to take my word for it but to go to "AskMoses.com" and speak to an expert on both of those.
I perused your comments on this thread and can find some Scripture posted by nothing other than that. Additionally, since you posted the Scripture for all to see, I don't need to *research* it (look it up myself).
Well actually you do need to research it. You need to find out how people near the time of Christ, The Early Church Fathers viewed various parts of scripture. I am certain that you have seen on numerous threads when the Catholics tell you that you (All) are quoting the ECF's out of context.
This is how I can make the claim that Protestants are intellectually dishonest. I read Lorraine Boettner, Ron Rhoades, and Tim LaHaye. even as poorly taught as I had been I was able to see the mistakes that they made about what the Catholic Church taught and believed. I listened to Dr. David Jerimiah and the day he claimed that the Spanish Inquisition had killed 50 million people I knew that he was intellectually dishonest as well. I don't have the exact numbers in front of me but it broke down to over 300 people being put to death every single day. I broke the numbers down, wrote to him and I asked two simple questions. Who buried them and where were all those graves. You see the population of Europe at that time was no where near 50 million people.
He never wrote back and to the best of my knowledge he never retracted or corrected his statement.
You'd spend all your time in an echo chamber like the Catholic Answers forum if this actually were true, lol.
Theological opinion needed from you both. Am I saved. When I became a Protestant I said the sinners prayer, made an altar call and had hands laid on me by the pastor of that Church. I went to that church on a weekly basis, and attended two Bible studies a week, one at that church one at the Christian coffee shop around the corner from my apartment. I participated in Socials, potlucks, and assisted with the Sunday school and VBS.
So was I saved, am I still saved, or did I some how manage to lose my once saved always saved status?
What they didn't understand was the spiritual aspect of what He was saying. He said that the flesh is of no help at all but the words He spoke were spirit and life.
The reason they didn't understand is because they weren't looking for the spiritual. It's that 1 Corinthians 1&2 thing.
And again, what He was talking about in John 6 was not the same thing He said at the Last Supper.
Word for *flesh* in: John 6:51, 52, 53, 54, 55, 56
John 6:63
http://biblos.com/john/6-63.htm
The word for *flesh* is the same in BOTH verses.
http://biblesuite.com/greek/4561.htm
sarx: flesh
Short Definition: flesh, body
Definition: flesh, body, human nature, materiality; kindred.
It is the exact same word used in Galatians 5 and Romans 8. There is also much more commentary at this link:http://biblesuite.com/greek/4561.htm
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However, it is NOT the same word as used in the Last Supper....
Matthew Mark 14:22, Luke 22:19, Matthew 26:26, 1 Corinthians 11:24, 27, 29
soma: a body
Short Definition: body, flesh
Definition: body, flesh; the body of the Church.
There is also a more in depth analysis of the word *soma* at this link:http://biblesuite.com/greek/4983.htm
All those sacrifices prefigured Christ's atonement and not in one case was the blood to be eaten. Blood is for the atonement. Jesus blood was poured out for our sin. It's GONE.
If Catholics are are thinking that they are drinking Christ's blood, then they must of necessity think that He is not yet dead. If He's not yet dead, the penalty for sin has not been paid. Without the shedding of blood, there is no remission of sins. Without Jesus death, there is no salvation.
Were and are you sincere? Did you repent of your sins, regret them deeply and seek to sin no more? Do you believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God made flesh, who died for our sins and arose victorious over sin and death?
Then you are “saved.”
No matter which church to which you belong. All the debate and back and forth concerns the currently lost souls who do not believe. There is concern that too much emphasis is placed upon works and too much faith is placed in your church, which could jeopardize the souls of some.
But, given that the above is true, your salvation is not at question, not by me at least, and not in the eyes of God as best I understand.
“Peter was also bishop of Antioch. Well researched.”
And his successor, according to Theodoret, held his “throne” right there in Antioch. It is great research.
**“If I was Peter, I would be mortified that for centuries Catholicism has glorified me rather than the Lord Jesus Christ himself.**
Well, I’ve seen pics of that large statue representing Peter, with the toe worn down from all the kissing done to it.
**His lack of courage during the passion makes him human and easy to relate to. His post resurrection faith and energy give all Christians hope.**
Peter was still lacking courage after the resurrection, for he had not the Spirit dwelling in him until Pentecost. At the Lord’s first appearing to the disciples, hiding ‘for fear of the Jews’, the Lord commanded them to receive the Holy Ghost. They did NOT receive it at that moment. It was a command and prophecy, only to be fulfilled after his ascension. Eight days after the Lord first appeared to the disciples in a room with the doors all closed, he appears again to them in the same, doors shut for fear, situation.
For before the crucifixion he had told them, “..if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you”. John 16:7
Also, in the same time frame, he told Peter: “..I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not: and WHEN thou art CONVERTED, strengthen thy brethern.” Luke 22:32
After the resurrection, and AFTER he had given his command to them to receive the Holy Ghost, He commanded them: “And behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, UNTIL ye be endued with power from on high”. Luke 24:49.
And: Until the day in the which he was taken up, after that he through the Holy Ghost had given commandments unto the apostles whom he had chosen....commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but “wait for the promise of the Father, which” saith he, “ye have heard of me. For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence.....But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you..”. Acts 1:2-8
You claimed you were a Pentecostal...And we know Pentecostals do not teach nor believe a once saved, always saved theology...So why would you try to deceive these folks on what you were taught???
Ha, ha. Real funny.....
That the Catholic church is wrong can be demonstrated from Scripture. For that matter, whether anyone is right or wrong can be demonstrated from Scripture.
It's the standard of truth to which we go.
And just where is THAT happening?
What Catholic saints are Evangelicals seeking to honor and how do you know that it's because they find meaning in Catholicism that they don’t find in their own faith?
Hello, we find meaning in our relationship with Christ, not *honoring* dead people.
Ignoring my posts will not help your cause, it just shows the intellectual dishonesty of protestantism, and the inability of homeschoolers to defend a position.
And what does attacking homeschooling have to do with this thread?
Besides, I wasn't homeschooled. I homeschooled.
I was public school educated like everyone from my generation. Public college as well.
I am not bringing arguments, the poster in question claims expertise on Christian belief. His stated beliefs include claims that many Christian holy days are pagan. How are his stated beliefs not relevant to any discourse on his opinions about my beliefs?
Some have done a disservice to the lost by telling them that if they recite a prayer and come forward to the altar, they are saved. That’s no different than telling someone that if they’re baptized and take communion that they’re saved.
The non-Catholic laundry list of sinner’s prayer, go forward, hands laid on, go to church, go to Bible study, do good works, etc, is really no different than the Catholic version of baptism, communion, confession, penance, confirmation, go to church, go to catechism classes, do good works.
It’s just a different list.
All the focus is on checking off the *right* actions, and not on repent and confess resulting in a change of heart.
The two missionaries from the East I’ve mentioned several times were made saints by the Roman Catholic Church. The descendants of those originally proselytised by them honor their teachings and hold the two in special esteem for having brought them the Word. It’s strange to me that the teachings of these two missionaries-become-saints were so at odds with Rome as to have merited suppression. That’s why I’ve been poking around the topic, attempting to grasp how this is rationalized by those within the Roman Catholic Church. It’s yet to be directly addressed.
I’d lay money on the fact that it won’t be directly addressed.
PLEASE REMOVE ME FROM THE PING LIST.
And so their teachings were suppressed (by the Catholic church I presume) and yet the Catholic church turned around and made them saints? Is that correct?
Rereading that, I could see where I could be accused of saying the poster was crying *hate*, but that would have been in regard to him accusing CB of hate.
I still don’t see that that could be translated into accusing HIM of hate.
However, I will be more cautious in future posts to avoid bringing the word into the discussion and am sorry for the misunderstanding.
In a nushell: Cyril and Methodius, missionaries from the East to Bohemia and Moravia, which fell by the sword to Rome, eventual uprising led by Jan Hus.
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