Posted on 02/23/2013 1:20:54 PM PST by District13
OK,folks. Here is part of what I am getting at.
G-d hates human sacrifice which is what jesus’ death on the cross was.
Deuteronomy 12:30-31- For every abomination to the Eternal,which he has,have done unto their gods;for even their sons and daughters they have burnt in the fire unto their gods.
Also read Jeremiah 19:4-6, Psalm 106:37-38,Ezekiel 16:20. More proof that G-d abhors human sacrifice.
No one can die for the sins of others.
Deuteronomy 24:16 Every man shall die for their own sin.
ALL of Ezekiel Chap. 18 expands upon and clarifies this point.
Also read Ezekiel 18:1-4,20-24,26-27,31:29-30 read Malachi 3:6.
G-d is G-d,humans are human and G-d does not become human nor vice versa.
Numbers 23:19 G-d makes it VERY clear that He is not a man.
G-d is not going to change His mind either.
The Christian bible is a fable.
G-d strictly warned the Jews about accepting any other holy book as His Word. Jews and Noahides do not accept the “New” Testament as His Word since it violates the Hebrew Scriptures. Only the Tanach (Torah and writings of the prophets) are to be accepted as the true and only Word of G-d.
Are you familiar with Osiris?
“G-d hates human sacrifice which is what jesus’ death on the cross was.”
...First, I want to gently say, you misunderstand both what is meant by “human sacrifice” and the meaning of Christ’s death on the cross.
“Deuteronomy 12:30-31- For every abomination to the Eternal,which he has,have done unto their gods;for even their sons and daughters they have burnt in the fire unto their gods.”
...Has nothing to do with the death of Christ. His death wasn’t to appease false gods.
“Also read Jeremiah 19:4-6, Psalm 106:37-38,Ezekiel 16:20. More proof that G-d abhors human sacrifice.”
... more of the same. See above.
“No one can die for the sins of others.”
... Of course! They have their own sins to pay for! Now Christ, born without a sin nature, as God, had no personal sins to pay for. He also had and eternal life to cover the sins of everyone.
“Deuteronomy 24:16 Every man shall die for their own sin.”
...Indeed! Every man is accountable for his own sins and must pay. If you had familiarity with the Scriptures, you would know that those who have entrusted themselves to Christ, have “died in Him.”
“G-d is G-d,humans are human and G-d does not become human nor vice versa.”
...So your God has severe limitations in His power? My God is omnipotent.
“Numbers 23:19 G-d makes it VERY clear that He is not a man.”
...Numbers was written before the time God took on human flesh to redeem us from our sins.
“G-d is not going to change His mind either.”
... didn’t have to. See above.
Frankly, is this all you’ve got??? If so, we need to talk.
“Are you familiar with Osiris?”
No. I do not pal around with false gods. We are not familiar at all.
PBTF,
I do appreciate that you came back and posted some passages. The problem is that they do not prove your claims.
You also wrote, “I have plenty of scriptural evidence that prove jesus is not the messiah NOR is he G-d in the flesh.”
So far, you have not proven the second claim. I await your evidence that will attempt to prove the first.
I can tell you are interested in spiritual things, which is good, and I appreciate your willingness to discuss the Scriptures, which I hold sacred and holy.
ampu
"Then Yahveh spoke to Moses, saying, 'Again, you shall say to the Sons of Israel: 'Whoever of the Sons of Israel, or of the strangers who dwell in Israel, who gives any of his sons to Molech, he must surely be put to death! The people of the land shall stone him with stones. I will set My face against that man and will cut him off from his people because he has given some of his sons to Molech, to defile My Sanctuary and profane My holy name. If the people of the land should in any way hide their eyes from the man when he gives some of his sons to Molech and they do not kill him, then I will set My face against that man and against his family and I will cut him off from his people, and all who prostitute themselves with him to commit harlotry with Molech.''" (Leviticus 20:1-5)Putting one's son 'through the fire' to Molech is a euphemism for sacrificing a son to the fire god Molech (one of many names for Satan in paganism that required the sacrifice of infants). It's very clear that God doesn't want us sacrificing our sons to Molech, so how can God sacrifice His Son for us? Wouldn't He be sinning by going against His very word on the subject?
When Yeshua was accosted by the Sadducees, who questioned Him about 'whose wife will she be in Heaven' if she had seven husbands and no children by any of them, Yeshua pointedly told them that they didn't know the Word of God nor the power of God because in the new Heavens there will be no marrying like here on Earth (Mt. 22:23-33). Yeshua definitively came against their belief that there was no resurrection by speaking of the Burning Bush (Ex. 3:1-6f.). He said that God was the God of the living, not the dead, meaning that all that seem dead to us are alive unto God.
When Yeshua was hypocritically questioned by the Pharisees about, 'if a man could divorce his wife for any' infraction (of uncleanness; Dt. 24:1-4), Yeshua asked them what it said in Torah (the Law of Moses). They replied that Moses had given them the ability, but Yeshua said it was only given because of their hard hearts. Divorce wasn't 'in the Beginning' when God made Adam and Eve (Mt. 19:3-9). Herein lies the reality that all of Torah, not just what we think are the laws and statutes, etc., can be, and are, used by God the Son to show us something that we, just like the Pharisees and Sadducees before us, wouldn't have seen without Messiah Yeshua pointing it out to us! This concept applies to God being able to sacrifice His Son Yeshua.
When God tested Father Abraham, by asking him to sacrifice his uniquely(1)begotten son Isaac, the sacrifice of Isaac was halted by Yeshua (the so-called Angel of the Lord)(2) and a substitute was made for Isaac with a ram-lamb, a lamb!(3) This is a perfect picture of God the Father sacrificing Yeshua His Son, the Lamb of God,for us.(4) This understanding might not convince a Jewish person who hates Yeshua, but hopefully it’ll persuade believers as to how God could sacrifice His Son for us, in spite of what is written in Leviticus 20 because in this case, Genesis 22, which is also Torah, overrides Leviticus 20, just as the prohibition against work on the Sabbath (Ex. 20:8-11; 31:12-17) is overridden when a Jewish baby boy, 8 days old, needs to be circumcised, which is work, on the Sabbath day (John 7:21-24). The sacrifice of God’s Son was God’s divine idea from the Beginning, of how the Father could reveal His love for His other Son—Israel (Ex. 4:22; Ps. 118:19-24; Jer. 31:31-34; Rom. 16:25; 1st Cor. 2:7; Gal. 6:16; Eph. 1:4; 2:12; 3:9; 1st Pet. 1:20; Rev. 13:18; 17:8).
Also, ‘inherent’ in the Passover sacrifice of the lamb(s) in Egypt, because it was a covenantal sacrifice, are all the Mosaic sacrifices, therefore, the two types of sin sacrifice found in Mosaic Law are there as well as the other three types of sacrifice.(5) Inherent in the New Covenant(6) sacrifice of Yeshua as the Lamb of God(7) are all the concepts of sacrifice that we find in the Mosaic sacrifices, two being, of course, the sacrifices for both intentional and unintentional sins. So, yes, the Sacrifice of Yeshua does take away our sins, cleanses us so that the Godhead can dwell within us (John 14:23), just like the ancient Tabernacle of Moses, and is in process of transforming us into the very Image of Yeshua, the Lamb of God.
http://www.seedofabraham.net/Human_Sacrifice_And_Yeshua.html
In regards to your other claim about God never being a man. From the same site I linked to above, here is quite a longer article about this that I think you would benefit from reading and thinking about.
WE JEWS DON'T BELIEVE THAT A MAN CAN BE GOD!
Again, I think it will help you think through this issue.
Really, I thought we went over this before - the whole not just the part.
“The Christian bible is a fable.
G-d strictly warned the Jews about accepting any other holy book as His Word. Jews and Noahides do not accept the “New” Testament as His Word since it violates the Hebrew Scriptures. Only the Tanach (Torah and writings of the prophets) are to be accepted as the true and only Word of G-d.”
So this is what took 3 days for you to write? And it’s the same bloody thing you wrote before. (Well, it’ll be the third day starting in a few hours.)
As for this reassertion of what you said earlier, I’ll restate that you must not be reading the 35 other books of the Old Testament, as only the first four were actually written by Moses. The rest were written down by other inspired men, writing the history of their land and the commandments and revelations of God. The commandment is against men adding to the laws ad word of God... God can certainly do what He wants, and it is no accident that the Old Testament age is prophecized to end with the destruction of the Jewish Temple, tied in with the prophecy to “anoint the most Holy,” “[make] reconciliation for iniquity,” and bring in “everlasting righteousness”(Dan 9:24). And, again, the Messiah would be made an offering for sin, whose suffering death would justify those who believe in Him (Isaiah 53).
So, anyway, thanks for just spamming the same thing you said before.
But you are not Jewish, you are Noahide.
Yes,but the two religions are very close and share the same Scriptures. Noahides share the same beliefs about G-d and His absolute oneness and soverignty. No one shares G-d’s glory and no man can be G-d.
There’s no point in debating this any further because it’s not getting any of us anywhere.
No matter what evidence I give it will not convince you that you (’you’ being Christians) that your translations of the Hebrew Bible are incorrect.
Nothing you say will convince me that you are right and that jesus is the savior and messiah.
Christianity is based on pagan beliefs such as virgins being impregnated by gods and demi-gods coming back from the dead and resurrecting the dead.
As such jesus is a false god like the pagan gods and is not to be followed.
What evidence have you presented.
ah No.
Judaism and Noahids only similarity is the first four books of the Bible.
Noahides have seven rules, Judaism hundreds.
Who ever said a man can be God, well except mormonism.
Interesting I know many Jews and none are as hostel as you.
And you are Noahide not Jewish.
As I said before the Noahide Rabi I have spoken with, said your hostility is not uncommon, as well as unfounded.
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