Mormon Reformation [Posting of 95 Theses on Mormon Church Doors]

Mormon Reformation ^ | 2013 | Martin Luther-day Saint

[KevinDavis]

I’m more concerned about Radical Muslims than Mormons..

[greyfoxx39]

To all the complaining posters...this is the Religion Forum.

Personal attacks are out of line.

[Colofornian]

Well, if they did, whoever’s operatives they were would probably be advised to do the Christian thing and go back today and repair any damage they may have caused.

(Oh, I assumed some -- perhaps even most -- used tape...but nice of you to be all up in arms about tape on doors...)

[mnehring]

I’m more concerned with continual foolish actions making Christians look like idiots. If they were a positive witness, they wouldn’t need to be ‘sneaking around like ninjas’, ‘hiding from the police’, etc that people are posting on that Facebook event. These are the actions of teenagers TP houses, not being a witness.

[greyfoxx39]

These are the actions of teenagers TP houses, not being a witness.

LOL..tell that to Martin Luther. Or do you even know who Martin Luther was? Probably not.

[KevinDavis]

Meanwhile in New Jersy: http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2013/02/myjihad-in-new-jersey-muslim-beheads-cuts-off-hands-of-two-coptic-chrstians.html

[mnehring]

At the time of Luther, posting of announcements on church doors was common practice- it was like a community bulletin board. In Wittenberg, where Luther did this, it was the community center and a center of not only a religious institution, but a center of the political control of the church- ie, it was public property.

Now, you are dealing with private property and a third party don’t get to decide what you put on it or trespass at it.

If it wasn’t of questionable legality, why ‘dress and act like a ninja’ and ‘hide from the police’?

[svcw]

Good, now post that in its own thread and ping us. K?

[mnehring]

Oh, and I guess I should point out that the church that Luther nailed his thesis to the door was a church that he was a priest and teacher and he was posting these in response to an outside party, Johann Tetzel who was selling indulgences. So in essence, he was posting the thesis on property he had authority over. He didn’t go damage someone else’s property

[1rudeboy]

You mean, like comment #25?

[greyfoxx39]

it was the community center and a center of not only a religious institution, but a center of the political control of the church- ie, it was public property.

LOL..ever been to Utah? Political control of the state=mormon church.

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The Agenda

The Mormon Church, through its political organization, the Kingdom of God, says John J. Stewart in Joseph Smith the Mormon Prophet, plans on gaining a political stronghold in the U.S. government. The goal is to “bring the United States Government under the rule of the priesthood.” (6)

This is reiterated by John Heinerman and Anson Shupe:

For them the prophecy [of Daniel 2:31-45] says that the Mormon people and the resources of their corporate empire will be the prime movers in a millennial overthrow of the United States government.” (7)

Eventually, their ultimate aim is to create an ecclesiastical, one-world government.” (8)

This means, as Brigham Young stated in the Journal of Discourses, “no more or less than the complete overthrow of the nation, and not only of this nation, but the nations of Europe". (9)

Believing this goal to materialize sooner, Brigham Young declared, according to historian Bancroft, that “he would himself become President of the United States, or dictate who should be President.” (10)

Further, Joseph Smith, as well as all succeeding Presidents of the Church, determined that this new government would be a theocracy, not a democracy.

A theocracy is a form of government in which God or a deity is recognized as the supreme civil ruler, with that God’s or deity’s laws being interpreted by the ecclesiastical [church] authorities. . . .a system of government by priests claiming a divine commission.

The primary motivation was to prepare the world for Christ’s Second Coming and the millennial reign, and since Mormons believe that it is the only true church that God recognizes, it is imperative when that time comes that Mormon leaders be in charge. But, if their agenda can be achieved before the Millennium by establishing more Mormons in politics and increasing their membership worldwide, so much the better.

The Biblical passage the LDS Church uses to validate their political organization is Daniel 2:31-45, which describes a stone which is to roll through the whole earth and destroy all other governments. Verse 44 is quoted often:

And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed; and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand forever. (v. 44 KJV)

While the general membership interpret Daniel’s vision as the LDS Church and its theology, Joseph Smith actually taught that the stone referred to the political system, The Kingdom of God.

President John Taylor describes how Mormon leaders expect their world rule:

The priesthood will be the only legitimate ruling power under the whole heavens; for every other power and influence will be subject to it. When the millennium... is introduced all potentates, powers, and authorities-every man, woman, and child will be in subjection to The Kingdom of God; they will be under the power and dominion of the priesthood of God. (11)

Brigham Young said:

We are called the State Legislature [of Utah], but when the time comes, we shall be called The Kingdom of God, political. . . . For the time will come when we will give laws to the nations of the earth. (12)

In more modern times, Apostle Bruce R. McConkie, in Mormon Doctrine, reaffirms the agenda:

During the millennium . . . the church . . . will have the rule and government of the world given to it. (13)

The Political Agenda of the Mormon Church

[Zakeet]

To all the complaining posters...this is the Religion Forum.

Personal attacks are out of line.

This is an excellent, well annotated listing of some of the issues surrounding Mormonism. Thanks for posting!

Personal attacks may be out of line ... but when you are unable to answer critics with evidence, you really have little else to rely on.

If I recall my applied psychology courses correctly, this form is of rebuttal is a form of cognitive dissonance reduction. The individual does it in order to convince himself that he is correct. It is therefore a sign that the battle is being won both inside and outside the person himself.

[mnehring]

It still isn’t the property of the people who did this, nor is it a public center in the sense of a court house. It is private property.

Are you proud of the people who ‘snuck around like Ninjas’, ‘hid from the police’, and one other comment was hoping he ‘raised a s***storm with them’? Yea, real Christian witness there. How exactly does that attract anyone to the Church?

[svcw]

Well, mormonism is not Christianity and “church” is the Body of Christ not a building....so I am not getting your question.

[mnehring]

Follow the trail of posts and you’ll understand.
Also read the Facebook event page of the people who participated. This wasn’t an act of Christian witness, this was juvenile and possibly could have bordered on vandalism.

https://www.facebook.com/events/465378110190591/

Tell me from those comments there, that these were the actions of a Christian witness. It would be interesting to see if anyone did actually nail or stable these to doors and it was reported as vandalism. The police would have a field day on that page with everyone admitting to what they did and some even saying they will post photos.

[mnehring]

...or to put it another way, what does this resemble more, Christian witness or Paultard antics?

[Graybeard58]

and why I should give a damn???

And yet you do - You're here. Go figure.

[svcw]

Well, when Paul preached people rioted and many times he had to flee for his life because he called out false gods and teachings....so yea they really do resemble those actions.

[svcw]

Sorry, I read all the posts on your link and found nothing as you describe it.

[Utah Binger]

Reformable? LOL

Somebody asked me “What do you think, Binger”?

As I read through all of the responses on Facebook my thoughts began to say “low information voters” and “Occupy Mormondumb”.

Don’t get me wrong, the church does have serious problems that might be solved with a new approach but I personally doubt it. I’m not going back under any circumstances as the halo effect will live on for longer than I have to live.

Now if Marlin Jensen comes to the Freeper picnic and has a beer with me for old times sake, that would be grand. Course he is a Morgbot Liberal so that’s not happening.