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Posted on 01/16/2013 8:57:49 AM PST by marshmallow
Love that story! Thanks for sharing.
It sure is. It’s interesting how God calls at different times in each persons life. Thanks for your service.
Is retaliation the correct Christian response?
No gotcha intended. Just was trying to get to where you were coming from. I know the Methodist church and it’s beliefs well. I owned a feed and soil testing lab in a tiny little town that only have a Lutheran and a Methodist church in it. We went to the Methodist for about 3 years. The only thing I felt in that church was that most were there for the pot luck social stuff. It was a very cold church spiritually but freindly and welcoming to all.
>> They claim that they have no doctrine, and yet they are so free to criticize the doctrines of other churches.<<
So disagreeing and posting scripture to back up our beliefs is “criticizing” now?
I suppose one could go back through the thread and look at who called who heretics and the like but that would be rather a waste of time. I’m sensing some rage. Not a fruit of the Spirit. May be time to ask where those feelings are coming from.
Retaliation can be the proper Christian response. I do not believe Jesus represented what we call “pacifism”.
In this instance, I attempted to prevent a blow out once I saw presently’s despicable post.
So, was it the “correct Christian response”? If I have any problem with it, it’s that he didn’t ping the RM first for pnsn to get a smack-down from the referee. I do think it merited a punishment. And knowing now that PNSN is a repeat offender with the RM, that makes a difference.
The abuse cycle, though, is that the abuser abuses, they ‘apologize’, they behave, they abuse again.
PNSN can’t help her/him self.
Hardly, disagreement is welcome. Discussion is welcome.
Attacks, condescension, and sarcasm will get a response. You all have engaged in the latter.
And obfuscation, of course, but there’s no law against obfuscation. Likewise, there’s no law against calling attention to it.
Pick up the Bible and you can read every doctrine we believe. We’ve told you over and over again that scripture is where to find our doctrine. It was inspired by the Holy Spirit and has never been found in error and has never changed. We have also told you that we are part of the body of Christ, the universal church of all believers. If you choose to disbelieve us, that’s not our problem. I think we have been rather straight forward and clear with scripture to back up our claims.
Not once have you shown any scripture that demands we also belong to some human designed orgainzation.
Good post.
I will always be that bakery shop kid – a Christian, plain and simple.
And, good post.
Thank you Marron.
God is Good!
That is bogus obfuscation. You know doctrine is scripture on a particular subject condensed to a teaching.
Why do you persist in this silly game when everyone knows it is bogus?
I give far more credit to the orignators of the Apostles Creed than to someone who comes out with that "believe scripture from cover to cover".
That's a non-answer pretending to be serious.
Indeed every single non-Christian cult claims that they get their doctrine directly from Scripture and they have the Scriptures to prove it. That's why a systematic theology and statement of faith is essential to determining and keeping sound doctrine. Without such a foundation anyone (that includes the clown possee) can fall into damnable heresy.
I used to call what these clowns did throwing scripture bricks. Rather than using the scriptures to build up faith, these clowns use the scriptures as weapons to knock down other people's faiths and beliefs while patting themselves on the back for being so spiritually attuned to the Holy Spirit.
Hogwash.
I could toss a few well placed scripture bricks into the fray here, but why waste my energy? As you so well pointed out, your Methodist confession clearly states that if any doctrine of the church is not founded on scripture, then it is void. That's as it should be. And any fellowship of believers that does not have a clear statement of faith is a fellowship that is, IMHO, doomed to be blown about by every wind of doctrine.
Obfuscation. Arrogance. Hypocrisy. And then when they are done, they effectively claim that the Holy Spirit made them do it and they have scriptures to back it up.
Well they can throw their scripture bricks all they want, but that is not the purpose for which scripture was given. Scripture was given to build up, not to tear down. These clowns have no other goal on this forum than to tear down everyone who has the temerity to disagree with them, for to disagree with them is to disagree with the Holy Spirit. Or so they claim.
Do you realize that there are people out there who don’t CARE what others think of them?
I know it sounds cold, but I do not seek man’s approval for anything I do. It doesn’t affect my life one iota whether someone approves of my adherence to Scripture and my non-adherence to creeds or teachings of men. It doesn’t bother me that someone does not consider me credible because I refuse to assert some denominational affiliation. My appeal to credibility is Scripture, not my own opinion.
They shouldn’t be following me anyway. They ought to be checking what I say to Scripture and if what I say doesn’t line up with it, they can ditch what I say and point out to me that they disagree.
The unifying point for believers, Christ followers, is belief in salvation by grace, through faith, in Christ, not of works. There is no compromise on that. The rest of it consists of disputable matters and it’s God’s responsibility to straighten out the person’s thinking and guide them into truth. And sometimes that can happen through the Holy Spirit using other believers. Soemtimes through Scripture alone,
But denominationalism has only fostered disunity in the body and I’m not going there. Even if I think they’re wrong about stuff, I can still consider them brothers or sisters in Christ, pray for them, show love for them, fellowship with them, and figure that they have to answer to GOD for it, not me. Besides, I don’t know of anyone who I agree with 100% on everything. There are some people with whom I have yet to find an area of disagreement, but that’s just because we haven’t covered EVERYTHING already.
You mean like these?
“What a bunch of rot.”
“Hardly. We're dealing with a cult here.”
“I’d say some kind of Jim Jones, David Berg, Sun Myung, etc.
And ALL of them said “we follow the bible...and you don’t.”
“Are you part of a cult and afraid to say so?”
“does that universal church of yours have a published doctrine, or is it just “every wind of...”
“That sounds like it could be a guy that stays home and thinks that's just AOK, and then he calls that "church".
“You’re not a Trinitarian.” (Which was flatout wrong)
“A cult that doesn’t reference its leader: your church”
“Shhhh....we’re hunting cultists (wabbits)”
How about "ObfusClowning" as a description of their MO?
LoLoL!
Catholicism claims that.
Mormonism claims that.
As far as I know, EVERY denomination claims that.
And everyone that doesn't, adds with writings of man to it.
So which is the cult? The one who gets their doctrine from Scripture or the one which gets their doctrine from Scripture plus (fill in the blank) writings of men?
I'm not concerned with the teachings of "men", mom. You have kids and maybe grandkids, now or in the future.
What are the teachings of YOU...not the teachings of men!
This is a terrible, ungodly age, and those kids need guidance. It good to say "go read your bible and figure it out for yourself?" There some merit in that.
But what is better is for you to share with them what God has taught you over your years here on earth. And that requires communicating it to them.
You've got to let them know about salvation, about eternity, about God Himself.
Don't let those kids down. "TRAIN up a child in the way he should go...."
There were no personal attacks there, CB. There was a lot of speculation due to obfuscation and refusal to answer simple questions.
So, I take you aren’t into Anglo-Israelism?
So you read minds or what? Should I also go crying to the RM? Not gonna do it.
>> That is bogus obfuscation.<<
So relying on scripture alone is bogus? Really? Seriously?
Riiiiiiigggghhhhtt! Interesting how perspective changes things isn’t it.
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