Posted on 01/06/2013 3:56:49 PM PST by NYer
All who are Catholic have been baptized ie: all are born again
Sorry, baptism does make a person “born again”, it just makes them baptized.
If you're born again, you're going to heaven. Jesus taught that.
Are you sure of that?
you can't possibly believe that all who claim to be "born again" are going to heaven....there are many Catholics who will fail to get to heaven and there are many protestants who will be right with them. You can't say "I'm born again" and then lead whatever kind of lifestyle that you choose. It would be nice if it worked that way, but it doesn't!!!
>> “What I am trying to say is that, is that, instead of arguing on the small details, find what can help bring Christians from all the different churches together” <<
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There is no value in bringing conflict together, because that requires compromise, and compromise always means that evil is forced on all.
Better that we go out as individuals, as Christ instructed, and spread what solid truth we may have to as many people as possible.
It worked in the first century, resulting in spreading the gospel to the entire world, and it can work again.
The Catholic church made the original translations...they know what they're doing. Without them, we wouldn't have a bible at all.
Unless, of course, the person doesn't have the means, motive, or capacity to form the intention of the heart - Otherwise, they are just getting wet.
Being baptized has nothing to do with being born again. Did you read the scriptures I posted?
It explains born again and salvation.
So Pelosi is born again?
All infants baptized are born again?
If that is a "proper" baptism, then a Catholic who does nothing else spiritually their whole life and dies at 82 years old, he/she is saved?
Born again means saved period.
Scripture does not back up your statements.
If you disagree, show me where you get your information. Scripture would be best, but Catholic doctrine will do for a start.
In Matthew 16 Jesus is talking to all of the Apostles. They were all asked the question of who they thought He was. Though Peter was the one who answered for the group Jesus was talking to them all. When Peter said that they believed He was Christ the Son of the Living God Jesus replied and said that it was not flesh and blood that had revealed that to Peter but that it was my Father which is in heaven. He then says to Peter and thou art Peter, acknowledging that He knew who Peter was just as Peter knew who Jesus was. Then Jesus, referring back to my Father which is in heaven, says, upon this rock I will build my church.
In other places in scripture Jesus is referred to as the corner stone, but the rock that the church is build on is the Father.
If you want reference to God as the Rock here are some verses.
Deut. 32:4 He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he.
2 Sam. 22:2 And he said, The LORD is my rock, and my fortress, and my deliverer; 3 The God of my rock; in him will I trust: he is my shield, and the horn of my salvation, my high tower, and my refuge, my saviour; thou savest me from violence.
Psalm 18:31, "And who is a rock, except our God."
Isaiah 44:8, "Is there any God besides Me, or is there any other Rock? I know of none."
I’m sure you meant “does not,” not “does.”
LOL!!! :O)
Interesting, when Augustine FINALLY understood the truth, people thought he was crazy. Not unlike me. :O)
That is what we are called to do, go out and spread the good news of the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
Sorry, baptism does NOT make a person born again, it just makes them baptized.
>> “people thought he was crazy.” <<
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Or, more likely, they hoped he was crazy, because thay had no desire to go that way.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2975555/posts?page=347#347
It was addressed to you, but you may have not read it.
It's very inspiring.
BTW-It was Cyprian question “What do you you have that you have not received?” that pushed me over the Calvinistic edge as it did Augustine. If one thinks about that question and what it truly mean, they would come to the same conclusion as Augustine.
Funny, how the early fathers were very Calvinistic in their views. ;O)
That meme has been trotted out so often its gotten rather stale. If you cant show where anyone said that Catholics need to stop using it. Should we also say that by becoming Catholic a person can live like they want just like the Kennedys? Or should we assume that by being a Catholic one would naturally be for abortion because of the percentage of Catholics who vote for pro abortionist Democrats?
So you give credit to the RCC instead of God for preserving the Gospel?
lots of luck with that theory....there is one true Christian religion and it is Catholicism. If you claim to be a Christian, but choose not to follow the Catholic church, you are a protestant. Some of the early followers who wandered off into various heresies are actually neither Catholic, Christian, nor protestant.
as to "truth seeking Catholics" who split away during the revolution, they were mislead and drawn away from th true church and weren't seeking truth at all, they were following charismatic people who decided that they could alter and otherwise change the church to suit themselves....tragic!!
Oh, please.....without the Catholic church you wouldn't even know who Jesus Christ was. For 1,600 years, the church carried the message of Christ to the world and you think that somewhere in the 16th century the truth of Christianity came out of the woodwork??????
Luther, Wesley, Calvin, Henry VIII, Zwingley et al knew of Christ because the Catholic church had taught them about Him!!!
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