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11 Reasons the Authority of Christianity Is Centered on St. Peter and Rome
stpeterslist ^ | December 19, 2012

Posted on 01/06/2013 3:56:49 PM PST by NYer

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To: terycarl; metmom
GAG!!! That is just so revolting. It ought to make adifference. God didn't tolerate it from His priests in Israel. Those passages have already been posted.

God doesn't tolerate it from Catholics either....however, the people have no way of knowing the condition of the priests soul.

Yea, that worked out great for the people, right?

No it didn't

The people didn't know of the depravity of certain Priests, but the superiors of the Priests did.

The bosses of the priests kept moving them around and they continued their perversion of having sex with innocent little children

God, therefore, administers the sacrament to the recipient who is worthy to recieve it, and deals with the priest on His own time......how else could it possibly work????
God will NOT administer a sacrament that is tainted by the sinful hands of a priest who continued to use those hands to abuse young trusting children.

No matrter how pius and official the sinful priest looks with his fancy robes God will not allow those hands to touch the communion cracker, as you believe it IS the actual body of Jesus.

I think it has been explained on this thread how else it can work.

Hint, the Priests could have been fired unstead of shuffled around the country where they CONTINUED TO PREY ON YOUNG CHILDREN IN THE MOST DESPICABLE WAYS!

Fired and disiplined and turned over to the authorities for procecution. Unstead of waiting for sometimes decades for the victims to complain.

As an aside to readers that see that I keep posting these rebuttals to other posters:

I will continue to do it as long as Catholics make excuses for the perversions their denomination has allowed to happen.

Or skirt the issue with inane compaisons to boy scouts, etc.

2,461 posted on 01/20/2013 2:50:28 PM PST by Syncro ("So?" - -Andrew Breitbart --The King of All Media RIP Feb 1, 1969 - Mar 1, 2012)
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To: terycarl
O.K....if not the Roman Catholic church, then which denomination started at the time of Christ followed His instruction and guidance more closely.....for the entire 2,013 years.....from beginning until now??

I've seen where others have already addressed the main point of your question - and quite adequately. But I DO have one concerning your math. How is it you consistently imply the Roman Catholic Church began in the first year A.D.? You've said "2,013 years" several times now. Not to be picky, but, I wonder why you think your church began when Jesus was arguably but an infant, only a few years old? You can't seriously believe this is also true, do you?

2,462 posted on 01/20/2013 2:51:58 PM PST by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: terycarl
I am a follower of CHRIST, NOT a follower of the Catholic church.

The Catholic church is NOT CHRIST.

Christ died for me, not the Catholic church.

Even Peter, the guy you guys claim is your first pope said....Acts 4:12 And there is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.”

Not the name of the Catholic church; the name of JESUS.

FWIW, there were no Catholics around when the veil of the Temple was torn in two. Gentiles were not permitted in the Temple. For that matter, only the Jewish priests were allowed in that area, so if there were any witnesses to the occurrence, it would have been Jewish priests and no one else.

2,463 posted on 01/20/2013 2:51:58 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: UriÂ’el-2012
and YHvH and His WORD get NO CREDIT !

God gets all the credit for its existance...but He USED the Catholic church to preserve it and protect it and bring it down through the years so you'd get to read and understand it.

2,464 posted on 01/20/2013 2:55:35 PM PST by terycarl
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To: terycarl
"yes, the Catholic church knows everything about tearing asunder the veil....they were there! "

They sewed it back up and called it a confessional, with a priest at the door.

2,465 posted on 01/20/2013 2:57:09 PM PST by wesagain (The God (Elohim) of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is the One True GOD.)
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To: CynicalBear

Projection.....


2,467 posted on 01/20/2013 3:01:25 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: wesagain
--- They sewed it back up and called it a confessional, with a priest at the door. ---

Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained’" (John 20:21–23).

How would the Apostles know what sins to forgive or retain, unless sins were confessed to them?

The Forgiveness of Sins.

2,468 posted on 01/20/2013 3:08:49 PM PST by St_Thomas_Aquinas
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To: Syncro
Many years later a group of people started a denomination called Catholicism.

nope...as you said, there were thousands of them and they BECAME KNOWN, by the public and themselves, as Catholic. The title can therefore be attributed to those who came before.....That's not a big deal in and of itself....there was a group of people, starting with the Apostles, who venerated Christ, followed Him as the Reedemer and postulated their beliefs to the masses. As they grew in number they became known as Catholics.....whatever....it was one group of people which grew to what the Catholic church is now.

2,469 posted on 01/20/2013 3:09:06 PM PST by terycarl
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To: terycarl

Catholism is attempting to be seen as the ONLY proper "church" and the rest
of Christians....well they aren't unless the join the "Church."

wrong terminology....not proper, complete.

Well, you are half right, the Catholic church is certainly not proper. In any sense of the word.

Nor is it complete.

The rest of Christianity, that's correct, they are not "complete"

I never said that and you know I never would. Stop that practice of putting words into my mouth.

Christains are the church.

To join the Catholic church would be to leave the real church started by Jesus.

2,470 posted on 01/20/2013 3:11:07 PM PST by Syncro ("So?" - -Andrew Breitbart --The King of All Media RIP Feb 1, 1969 - Mar 1, 2012)
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To: Syncro
They were so sure of that, that later they started killing the actual true Christians

oh good grief

2,471 posted on 01/20/2013 3:11:06 PM PST by terycarl
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To: CynicalBear
God preserved it. He could have used rocks if needed. No credit would go to the rocks either.

God preserved it through the efforts of the Catholic Church...granted that it was His will, but also His way...if He had decided to use rocks, the rocks would recieve no credit, but the sculptors would....bare rocks tell nothing, bare papyrus tells nothing. It takes a person, writing on them, to bring out the message......other that the ten commandments of course.

2,472 posted on 01/20/2013 3:16:13 PM PST by terycarl
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To: terycarl

John Hus for one.

Burned him at the stake.

You want all of that brought up again?

It’s been proven on this thread and other places on FR.

Bad grief.


2,473 posted on 01/20/2013 3:17:17 PM PST by Syncro ("So?" - -Andrew Breitbart --The King of All Media RIP Feb 1, 1969 - Mar 1, 2012)
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To: terycarl
Christians are born again saved followers of Jesus. All Catholics are not born again followers of Jesus.

if protestants keep saying that over and over and over, and over again, someday it may actually be true.

God made that very clear in the Bible, take it up with Him.
2,474 posted on 01/20/2013 3:22:37 PM PST by Syncro ("So?" - -Andrew Breitbart --The King of All Media RIP Feb 1, 1969 - Mar 1, 2012)
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To: metmom
are you saying that no matter what you do....good works, BAD works, nothing at all....that because Christ died on the cross, everyone who believes that He did that will be saved??? YES!!!!

WOW!!!!! it is easier to be a protestant that I thought....the darned Catholic church makes us at least somewhat accountable for our behavior......

Satan will be excited to hear about the new rules because he not only knows that Christ died on the cross....he BELIEVES it

2,475 posted on 01/20/2013 3:22:54 PM PST by terycarl
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To: Syncro
Your very old Pope (see your quote above) was the star!

the Pope is a title, moves on with the next elected, like president. The person referred to in the post was just that, a particular person.

2,476 posted on 01/20/2013 3:28:18 PM PST by terycarl
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To: terycarl
>> but the sculptors would....bare rocks tell nothing<<

Wow! So God used a sculptor to write the ten commandments on those tablets of stone? Who knew? That must be in the “tradition information” that the Catholic Church hasn’t put in writing to this point still?

Now about that “bare rocks tell nothing comment just look at this.

Luke 19:40 And he answered and said unto them, I tell you that, if these should hold their peace, the stones would immediately cry out.

So God says the stones would cry out but you say “bare stones tell nothing”? Wow, just Wow!

2,477 posted on 01/20/2013 3:29:53 PM PST by CynicalBear
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To: terycarl
The Catholic church has paid out billions of dollars to victims of abuse....how much has your "denomination" had to lay out????.........crickets

No I would be glad to answer your question that assumes that I belong to a denomination that would do things like the Catholic church has done.

For starters, I don't have a denomination.

No church I have ever been a part of has had those in the ministry that commited those types of acts.

Nice try to attempt to put the blame on others for what the Catholics did.

And they certainly did TRILLIONS in damage to young venerable children with the vicious violent painful sex acts they forced those children to endure.

Those children are scarred for life, the Catholic church should have SOLD ALL THEIR ASSETS AND GIVEN THEM TO THESE PEOPLE and gone out of business with great shame.

there was no excuse for the way the church handled that situation...none
Good for you saying that.

Then of course you go on and try to show that it wasn't that bad, everyone does it.

2,478 posted on 01/20/2013 3:34:37 PM PST by Syncro ("So?" - -Andrew Breitbart --The King of All Media RIP Feb 1, 1969 - Mar 1, 2012)
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To: Syncro
--- God made that very clear in the Bible ---

Which Bible? How do you know which books belong in the Bible?

The Canon of the Bible

2,479 posted on 01/20/2013 3:35:57 PM PST by St_Thomas_Aquinas
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To: CynicalBear
God has allowed Satan to function for much longer than that. It’s the same influence that caused the RCC to go off track from what Christ taught. It’s been happening since creation which is much longer than 1,600 years I would say.

not a real good analogy...your statement indicates the Christ came to Earth to establish a new covenant with mankind, did so, sent the paraclete, and then let His church lapse into apostasy for one thousand six hundred years, and then went the Reformers to fix it....God is FAR more efficient than that.

2,480 posted on 01/20/2013 3:37:38 PM PST by terycarl
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