11 Reasons the Authority of Christianity Is Centered on St. Peter and Rome

stpeterslist ^ | December 19, 2012

[Uri’el-2012]

Bible and that it is the KJV.....every book, every word, every text, every everything in that book was saved and preserved for you by the Catholic Church...except for the word "alone"

and YHvH and His WORD get NO CREDIT !

WOW !

It is patently clear the the Roman "church"
does not worship the same YHvH as Christians
and Jews.

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach

[terycarl]

Just the fact that Catholics don’t see the error in the whole Mariology thing is indication of the lack of the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. It is impossible for the Holy Spirit to allow the focus to be shifted from Jesus to Mary.

O.K., let me get this straight.....for about 1,600 years, the Holy Spirit just let this whole thing get out of hand....Along came the enlightened revolutionaries (reformers) to straighten things out. Just think how lucky we are, now we, at last, know what the Church should have been teaching all along....whew!!

[metmom]

God doesn't tolerate it from Catholics either....however, the people have no way of knowing the condition of the priests soul. God, therefore, administers the sacrament to the recipient who is worthy to recieve it, and deals with the priest on His own time......how else could it possibly work????

Getting rid of the priests who molested the children as SOON as they found out instead of complicitly covering it up by shuffling them around from parish to parish.

Then not one parishioner would ever have to give it a second thought.

[CynicalBear]

>>The Pope has been vicar of Christ for over 2,000 years<<

Vicar of Christ - (Latin vicarius, from vice, "instead of") [http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/15401a.htm]

“instead of Christ”! Isn’t that interesting!

Scripture says that true believers have “Christ in them” but the Catholic Church says they have an “instead of Christ” in Rome. What blasphemy.

Those who have aligned themselves with the Catholic Church who truly wish an eternity with Christ need to denounce the pagan practices of the Catholic Church and become part of the true universal body of Christ with the indwelling of Christ with no need for an “instead of Christ” imposter.

[terycarl]

Catholism is attempting to be seen as the ONLY proper "church" and the rest of Christians....well they aren't unless the join the "Church."

wrong terminology....not proper, complete. The rest of Christianity, that's correct, they are not "complete" unless they REJOIN the Church.....they're not necessarily wrong....just incomplete.

[Syncro]

if the Roman Catholic Church WERE the same one begun in the first century
they would have stayed true to the Gospel and remained faithful to the truth established by Jesus and enscripturated by the Apostles and their disciples.

O.K....if not the Roman Catholic church, then which denomination started at the time of Christ followed His instruction and guidance more closely.....for the entire 2,013 years.....from beginning until now??

It was not a denomination, those started much later.

It was Christians.

There were thousands of them in the first century.

Many of those that Jesus preached to followed him, they did NOT follow the non existent Catholic church.

There were Christians back then, but NO Catholics.

Except in the sense of the fact that the Church founded on the basis of salvation and following Jesus, all those members were a part of the catholic church. Catholic means universal, ie all the followers, born again and saved, of Jesus.

Many years later a group of people started a denomination called Catholicism.

Then they co-opted the word catholic, added a big "C" at the beginning of the word, and started proclaiming themselves the only true Christians. [Kind of like the homosexuals taking and changing the word gay]

They were so sure of that, that later they started killing the actual true Christians because the wanted to follow Jesus and his fantastic teachings instead of the "Church Fathers."

if the Roman Catholic Church WERE the same one begun in the first century
they would have stayed true to the Gospel and remained faithful to the truth established by Jesus and enscripturated by the Apostles and their disciples.

O.K....if not the Roman Catholic church, then which denomination started at the time of Christ followed His instruction and guidance more closely.....for the entire 2,013 years.....from beginning until now??

[CynicalBear]

>>It's absolutely hysterical that someone spouts an opinion and expects people to accept it as if it's written in stone.<<

Catholics do it all the time listening to what the RCC teaches.

[CynicalBear]

>>if someone wrote down a "book", REVELATION, and wrote it on papyrus, how did you ever get a copy of it?????<<

God preserved it. He could have used rocks if needed. No credit would go to the rocks either.

That was a really obvious obfuscation. Deflecting the attention from a statement from scripture however was not overlooked.

[terycarl]

Dr. David Jeremiah said that he was traveling in South America a few years back and actually came across Catholic churches were Mary was the one hanging on the cross. Can you imagine a perversion like that?....Sick!

The "church" seems to not understand the reason for the tearing assunder of the veil over the Holy of Holies.

that would indeed be a perversion of Catholic teaching and the people and clergy in that community should be brought to task....however that has nothing to do with Catholic teaching.

yes, the Catholic church knows everything about tearing asunder the veil....they were there!

[metmom]

are you saying that no matter what you do....good works, BAD works, nothing at all....that because Christ died on the cross, everyone who believes that He did that will be saved???

YES!!!!

That we are not free to reject His gift by our actions?????

Two things. One is that the gift has to be accepted. It's not a matter of everyone having it until they reject it. We don't have it until we accept it.

We don't accept or reject with our actions. We do it with our heart.

Our actions may or may not lineup with our heart, but that is irrelevant.

King David was considered a man after God's own heart in spite of his adultery and murder.

God looks on the heart, man judges by the outward appearances. That's the whole purpose of works, to show what's in the heart.

Romans 10:9-13 9 because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes and is justified, and with the mouth one confesses and is saved. 11 For the Scripture says, “Everyone who believes in him will not be put to shame.” 12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, bestowing his riches on all who call on him. 13 For “everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”

Slipping up and sinning does not constitute a blatant, outright rejection of God resulting in a loss of salvation. That is a whole different ball of wax.

We aren't perfect and God knows it and honestly, I don't think He even expects us to be.

That's why I think He seals us with the Holy Spirit until the day of redemption, so that when we do slip up, we don't lose our salvation.

[Syncro]

The Pope has been vicar of Christ for over 2,000 years

Did you see that movie "the 2000 year old man?"

Your very old Pope (see your quote above) was the star!

[terycarl]

Christians are born again saved followers of Jesus. All Catholics are not born again followers of Jesus.

if protestants keep saying that over and over and over, and over again, someday it may actually be true.

[CynicalBear]

>>O.K., let me get this straight.....for about 1,600 years, the Holy Spirit just let this whole thing get out of hand....<<

God has allowed Satan to function for much longer than that. It’s the same influence that caused the RCC to go off track from what Christ taught. It’s been happening since creation which is much longer than 1,600 years I would say.

[terycarl]

You would think Catholics would flock to that statement and loudly say they renounce those actions completely and unconditionally.

I, for one, did exactly that....there was no excuse for the way the church handled that situation...none. However, (new thought coming up for those concerned with the word however) I went on to explain that the church had undertaken seriuos new policies to alleviate the situation in the future.

now an additional thought...The Catholic church has paid out billions of dollars to victims of abuse....how much has your "denomination" had to lay out????.........crickets

[terycarl]

Allowing molesters of kids to do what the Catholics hold up as one of the most important, Holy things it does? Allow them to do THAT while "in a state of sin?" The sin of molesting children in the most vile base sexual way No, the church does not allow those that she knows are in a state of sin to do much of anything.

"handle on it" of course, as you know, means taken steps to assure that it doesn't happen again.

that it" happens far more often in protestant churches" statement means that you are living in a glass house and should be very careful when casting stones.

[CynicalBear]

>>now an additional thought...The Catholic church has paid out billions of dollars to victims of abuse....how much has your "denomination" had to lay out????.........crickets<<

Which “denomination” are you “assuming” any one of us belong to? Have you ever heard any of us put our faith in a “denomination” like the Catholics put their faith in the RCC?

[terycarl]

NONE!!!!! That's what we've been trying to tell you.

if you were a Christian in the year 456, you were a Catholic.

if you were a Christian in the year 567, you were a Catholic

if you were a Christian in the year 789, you were a Catholic

moving along, if you were a Christian in the year l694 you were either a Catholic or someone who had decided to leave the true church and strike out on your own seeking new and untested waters.....good luck with that!

[Natural Law]

"????.........crickets "

Your first mistake was expecting an honest and civil discussion with these people. Thankfully, they do not represent the vast majority of our separated brothers and sisters who are honestly Christian enough to be honest in their discussions.

What you will get from these people is lies and insults carefully couched in the rules of the forum and outrageous accusations that have been responded to many, many times. If we allow ourselves to be troubled by the liars, to be goaded to respond in kind or to rise to anger they will have succeeded in thier incitements to sin. Concede the mud hole to the pigs but continue to love and serve the lord.

Peace be with you

[terycarl]

Or Baptists with John the Baptist being the first member, if that's more like what Catholics want to hear.

or 1609 and John Smythe as first member....whichever..

[metmom]

that it" happens far more often in protestant churches" statement means that you are living in a glass house and should be very careful when casting stones.

Sexual immorality within non-Catholic denominations, especially in the cases that I have been personally aware of, are more along the lines of garden variety adultery between a male and female adult, not the homosexual rape of children.

God condemns homosexuality in a different way than adultery, as it reveals a depravity of mind that adultery does not.

Please compare apples to apples.

Oh, and BTW, the cases I've known of ministers who have been involved in adultery, have been relieved of their positions and their credentials have been revoked.