The Bible - 73 or 66 Books? (Ecumenical Thread)

Catholic Bible ^

[narses]

As always, thank you!

My soul magnifies the Lord,
And my spirit rejoices in God my Savior.
For He has regarded the low estate of His handmaiden,
For behold, henceforth all generations shall call me blessed.
For He who is mighty has done great things for me, and holy is His name. And His mercy is on those who fear Him from generation to generation.
He has shown strength with His arm:
He has scattered the proud in the imagination of their hearts.
He has put down the mighty from their thrones,
and exalted those of low degree.
He has filled the hungry with good things;
and the rich He has sent empty away.
He has helped His servant Israel, in remembrance of His mercy;
As He spoke to our fathers, to Abraham and to His posterity forever.

Glory be to the Father and to the Son and to the Holy Spirit.
As it was in the beginning, is now and ever shall be, world without end. Amen

Magníficat ánima mea Dóminum,
et exsultávit spíritus meus
in Deo salvatóre meo,
quia respéxit humilitátem
ancíllæ suæ.

Ecce enim ex hoc beátam
me dicent omnes generatiónes,
quia fecit mihi magna,
qui potens est,
et sanctum nomen eius,
et misericórdia eius in progénies
et progénies timéntibus eum.
Fecit poténtiam in bráchio suo,
dispérsit supérbos mente cordis sui;
depósuit poténtes de sede
et exaltávit húmiles.
Esuriéntes implévit bonis
et dívites dimísit inánes.
Suscépit Ísrael púerum suum,
recordátus misericórdiæ,
sicut locútus est ad patres nostros,
Ábraham et sémini eius in sæcula.

Glória Patri et Fílio
et Spirítui Sancto.
Sicut erat in princípio,
et nunc et semper,
et in sæcula sæculórum.

Amen.

She became the Mother of God, in which work so many and such great good things are bestowed on her as pass man’s understanding. For on this there follows all honor, all blessedness, and her unique place in the whole of mankind, among which she has no equal, namely, that she had a child by the Father in heaven, and such a Child . . . Hence men have crowded all her glory into a single word, calling her the Mother of God . . . None can say of her nor announce to her greater things, even though he had as many tongues as the earth possesses flowers and blades of grass: the sky, stars; and the sea, grains of sand. It needs to be pondered in the heart what it means to be the Mother of God.

(Commentary on the Magnificat, 1521; in Luther’s Works, Pelikan et al, vol. 21, 326)

[CynicalBear]

>> That which the Church teaches and has taught for far longer than you have been alive.<<

Well then surely you can tell us the answers to those questions rather then obfuscate. They are obvious contradictions so what has your prayer and study shown is the answer?

[narses]

“They are obvious contradictions so what has your prayer and study shown is the answer?”

That Our Lord left us a Church and His Church is the One True Church. Sorry that you choose to believe that He left us no organized Church and left us bereft for all these centuries. My prayers and study say that you are flat out wrong and that the Church is correct.

Merry Christmas, even if you fail to recognize the brotherhood in the celebration of His Birth. May Our Lord open your eyes and help you into His Grace and Presence.

[narses]

Credo in Deum Patrem omnipotentem;
Creatorem caeli et terrae.

Et in Jesum Christum,
Filium eius unicum, Dominum nostrum;
qui conceptus est
de Spiritu Sancto,
natus ex Maria virgine;
passus sub Pontio Pilato,
crucifixus, mortuus, et sepultus;
descendit ad inferos;
tertia die resurrexit a mortuis;
ascendit ad caelos;
sedet ad dexteram Dei Patris omnipotentis;
inde venturus est
iudicare vivos et mortuos.

Credo in Spiritum Sanctum;
sanctam ecclesiam catholicam;
sanctorum communionem;
remissionem peccatorum;
carnis resurrectionem;
vitam aeternam. Amen.

In English:

I believe in God, the Father almighty,
creator of heaven and earth.

I believe in Jesus Christ,
his only Son, our Lord.
He was conceived
by the power of the Holy Spirit,
and born of the Virgin Mary,
He suffered under Pontius Pilate,
was crucified, died, and was buried;
He descended into hell.
On the third day he rose again;
he ascended into heaven,
he is seated at the right hand of the Father,
he will come again
to judge the living and the dead.

I believe in the Holy Spirit,
the holy Catholic church,
the communion of saints,
the forgiveness of sins,
the resurrection of the body,
and the life everlasting. Amen

[narses]

Night is falling dear Mother, long day is o’er;
Before thy image I am kneeling once more
To thank thee for keeping me safe this day,
To ask thee this night to keep evil away.

Many times have I fallen Mother dear;
Many graces neglected since last I knelt here;
Wilt thou not in pity, my own Mother Mild,
Ask Jesus to pardon the sins of thy child?

I am going to sleep now, day’s work is done;
Its hours and its moments have passed one by one.
God Who will judge me, has counted them all;
He has numbered each grace, He has counted each fall;

In His book they are written against the last day.
Oh! Mother Ask Jesus to wash them away.
For one drop of His Blood for sinners was spilt,
Is sufficient to cleanse the world of its guilt.

And if er’ the dawn I should draw my last breath;
The sleep I take be the long sleep of death;
Be near me Mother for dear Jesus’ sake.
When at eternity shore my soul shall awake.

Amen.

[CynicalBear]

Yeah, I didn’t think you could answer the questions. So it stands that either the Apocrypha is in error or 2 Kings is. Given the Catholics claim both are their scripture it’s obvious that their scripture contains error and God does not ere. And Tobit was 112 when he died but lived will over 210 years. The God that I serve didn’t inspire error like the Catholic Bible has in it.

[CynicalBear]

Matthew 6:1 Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of them: otherwise ye have no reward of your Father which is in heaven. 2 Therefore when thou doest thine alms, do not sound a trumpet before thee, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may have glory of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward. 3 But when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth: 4 That thine alms may be in secret: and thy Father which seeth in secret himself shall reward thee openly. 5 And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.

[narses]

“Yeah, I didn’t think you could answer the questions.”

But I did. You don’t like the answer but there it is, my opinion is as good as yours, my prayers and study led me to the One True Church that Our Lord founded and somehow you got left behind. Join me, Our Lord has many rooms in His Mansions.

[JCBreckenridge]

“Peter was given no such authority; he was given a command that what was bound on Earth would be that which was already bound in heaven.”

Nonsense. He was given the authority (along with the other apostles to forgive sin. You need to go reread matthew again. It’s all right there in Scripture!

“You pulled a switcheroo here! The evidence you requested (by placement) was the statement by Christ that he hated the nicolaitans, to which I directed you.”

And I’m contesting your argument as it is found nowhere in scripture.

“The facts concerning Paul replacing the “apostle” falsely appointed by men is in the Acts.”

Where?

“Are you so unschooled in the scriptures that you are not familiar with the calling of Paul on the Damascus reoad?”

Absolutely I am familiar with that Account, as well as with Paul’s own statement that HE WAS NOT ONE of the 12!

[CynicalBear]

>> But I did.<<

Not even close. You didn’t even tell me what the RCC says is the correct information. God inspired scripture cannot contain error. As it stands the RCC version of scripture contains error.

[narses]

Nope - your opinion is in error. You have told me that I am a pagan because I am a Catholic, that celebrating Easter and Christmas are pagan and that I am an Idolater. But you are wrong. You have opinions you are entitled to, but God has guided me and led me to His Church. That you fail to understand these things is evident, but your opinion is of no more weight than mine.

Merry Christmas!

[JCBreckenridge]

“Nebuchadnezzar didn’t rule over the Assyrians he was King over Babylonians”

And the Babylonians ruled the neo-babylonian empire, restored after the defeat of the Assyrians. So yeah, not only are you wrong, you don’t know your history!

[narses]

Good job!

[narses]

And the Babylonians ruled the neo-babylonian empire, restored after the defeat of the Assyrians. So yeah, not only are you wrong, you don’t know your history!

Sorry CB, wrong (again).

[CynicalBear]

So which one is correct? Judith 1: While King Nebuchadnezzar was ruling over the Assyrians from his capital city of Nineveh,

2 Kings 24:1 While Jehoiakim was king, King Nebuchadnezzar of Babylonia invaded Judah

[CynicalBear]

>> your opinion is in error<<

So prove it. You have furnished no proof.

[CynicalBear]

Tobit claims to have been alive when Jeroboam revolted in 931 B.C. and 210 years later when Assyria conquered Israel in 721 B.C. Then it says in Tobit 14 that he was 112 when he died. Oops!

In Judith we find an error of who Nebuchadnezzar was King of.

Judith 1:1 While King Nebuchadnezzar was ruling over the Assyrians from his capital city of Nineveh,

Nebuchadnezzar didn’t rule over the Assyrians he was King over Babylonia.

2 Kings 24:1 While Jehoiakim was king, King Nebuchadnezzar of Babylonia invaded Judah

So please explain the discrepencies.

[narses]

“So prove it.”

Logic is clearly not your strong suit. Opinions are just that. You have yours - and I have mine.

The facts also fail to support your opinions, and those have been posted many times, but opinions are odd, people hold them - as you do - regardless of the facts. All good, but your opinion is of no more value than mine.

I do not agree with your opinion that Catholic’s are pagan idolaters or that those who worship on Sunday or celebrate Christmas or Easter are pagan. That you have these odd and truly minority opinions is clear, but of no consequence. Your opinions are just that - yours. And I decline to agree.

Merry Christmas and May Our Lady look over you and yours this blessed day we celebrate her extraordinary act of pety, the Nativity of Our Lord.

[CynicalBear]

>> but your opinion is of no more value than mine.<<<

That’s why I stay away from “opinion” and post what scripture says. That’s not opinion. You may rely on “opinion” if you want. I will rely on what scripture says.

>> I do not agree with your opinion that Catholic’s are pagan idolaters or that those who worship on Sunday or celebrate Christmas or Easter are pagan.<<

I have not said that Catholics are idolaters. I have posted scripture and you must have inferred from that that Catholics are idolaters. Scripture says what scripture says and I can’t nor do I want to change it.

[JCBreckenridge]

“Nebuchadnezzar didn’t rule over the Assyrians he was King over Babylonia.”

Babylonia at the time of Nebuchadnezzar had successfully revolted from Assyria and destroyed the Assyrian empire. So the correct answer is both are true. He was king of Babylon and ruled over the Assyrians.

Please read up on the neo-babylonian empire.