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Is this Historical Christmas?
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Posted on 12/22/2012 6:02:55 PM PST by Phinneous

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To: Phinneous

Luck doesn’t exist.

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Proverbs 26:2 As the bird by wandering, as the swallow by flying, so the curse causeless shall not come.

Yeshua wrote Torah; I’ll take his understanding thereof.


161 posted on 12/26/2012 6:27:15 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: editor-surveyor

Jews have chutzpah. So be a Jew, and take a look at this article: http://www.jewsforjudaism.org/knowledge/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/Judaism_Articulated.pdf

Do you know that the verse you quoted is actually read as meaning, “...the curse WILL come to him?” And was understood as such for CENTURIES...before it was taught to you as a way to convert Jews?

Be brave, read the link.


162 posted on 12/26/2012 7:03:57 PM PST by Phinneous
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To: DouglasKC

Paul went to the synagogue to preach Jesus Christ, not to have a Christian worship service.

Christians worshipped on the first day of the week, since this was the day Jesus rose from the dead.

the 7th day sabbath was a type of the rest we have in Christ, it points us to Jesus and was fulfilled by Him.

history is quite clear, the Catholic Faith received from the Apostles NEVER included keeping the 7th day sabbath.


163 posted on 12/26/2012 7:10:18 PM PST by one Lord one faith one baptism
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To: Phinneous

The curse CAUSELESS will not come.

That doesn’t mean that there won’t be any curses, there certainly were, in fact the entirety of Israel was cursed numerous times by their dabbling in idolatry.

It’s not luck, it’s sin.


164 posted on 12/26/2012 9:39:13 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: one Lord one faith one baptism; DouglasKC

>> “Christians worshipped on the first day of the week” <<

Not ever mentioned in the entire NT!

They worshipped at the beginning of the first day of the Hebrew week, which was in the evening of the pagan 7th day (saturday to pagans) at Havdalah, which marked the beginning of the work week. They “came togrther” at Havdalah to mark the end of their sabbath worship, every sabbath.

Sabbath worship continued until the terrorist thug Constantine turned his army against them.

No apostle of Yeshua ever deserted sabbath worship.

Yeshua’s present day remnant have returned to proper sabbath respect, while the lost will of course continue with their pagan nonsense on sunday, the day of the sun god Baal.


165 posted on 12/26/2012 9:51:36 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: fidelis

God bless on you Christmas, and for heaven’s sake lighten up. I take it you don’t watch TV. The script writers were making fun of Sheldon for being pedantic and having an opinion on things he knows nothing about, not citing him as an authority on early church history. This is a season of joy and love, not a season for humorless arguing and put-downs.


166 posted on 12/27/2012 4:53:45 AM PST by La Lydia
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To: editor-surveyor
Yeshua’s present day remnant have returned to proper sabbath respect, while the lost will of course continue with their pagan nonsense on sunday, the day of the sun god Baal.

The name of the day of the week that we call Sunday in the English language has nothing at all to do with the sun god Baal, its roots are from the old Germanic and Norse languages that make up the core roots of the English language.

Sunday: Old English Sunnandæg (pronounced [sun.nan.dæg] or [sun.nan.dæj), meaning "sun's day". This is a translation of the Latin phrase dies Solis. English, like most of the Germanic languages, preserves the original pagan/sun associations of the day. Many other European languages, including all of the Romance languages, have changed its name to the equivalent of "the Lord's day" (based on Ecclesiastical Latin dies Dominica). In both West Germanic and North Germanic mythology the Sun is personified as a goddess, Sunna/Sól.

Monday: Old English Mōnandæg (pronounced [mon.nan.dæg] or [mon.nan.dæj'), meaning "Moon's day". This is likely based on a translation of the Latin name dies lunae. In North Germanic mythology, the Moon is personified as a god, Máni.

Tuesday: Old English Tīwesdæg (pronounced [ti.wes.dæg] or [ti.wes.dæj], meaning "Tiw's day." Tiw (Norse Týr) was a one-handed god associated with single combat and pledges in Norse mythology and also attested prominently in wider Germanic paganism. The name of the day is based on Latin dies Martis, "Day of Mars" (the Roman war god).

Wednesday: Old English Wōdnesdæg (pronounced [woːd.nes.dæg] or [woːd.nes.dæj) meaning the day of the Germanic god Wodan (known as Óðinn among the North Germanic peoples), and a prominent god of the Anglo-Saxons (and other Germanic peoples) in England until about the seventh century. It is based on Latin dies Mercurii, "Day of Mercury". The connection between Mercury and Odin is more strained than the other syncretic connections. The usual explanation is that both Wodan and Mercury were considered psychopomps, or leaders of souls, in their respective mythologies; both are also associated with poetic and musical inspiration. The Icelandic Miðviku, German Mittwoch and Finnish keskiviikko all mean 'mid-week'.

Thursday: Old English Þūnresdæg (pronounced [θuːn.res.dæg] or [θuːn.res.dæj]), meaning 'Þunor's day'. Þunor means thunder or its personification, the Norse god known in Modern English as Thor. Similarly German Donnerstag ('thunder's day') and Scandinavian Torsdag ('Thor's day'). Thor's day corresponds to Latin dies Iovis, "day of Jupiter", the chief of the Roman gods, wielder of the thunderbolt.

Friday: Old English Frīgedæg (pronounced [fri.je.dæg] or [fri.je.dæj]), meaning the day of the Norse goddess Fríge. The Norse name for the planet Venus was Friggjarstjarna, 'Frigg's star'. It is based on the Latin dies Veneris, "Day of Venus". Venus was the Roman goddess of beauty, love and sex.

Saturday: the only day of the week to retain its Roman origin in English, named after the Roman god Saturn associated with the Titan Cronus, father of Zeus and many Olympians. Its original Anglo-Saxon rendering was Sæturnesdæg (pronounced [sæ.tur.nes.dæg] or [sæ.tur.nes.dæj]). In Latin it was dies Saturni, "Day of Saturn". The Scandinavian Lørdag/Lördag deviates significantly as it has no reference to either the Norse or the Roman pantheon; it derives from old Norse laugardagr, literally 'washing-day'.

So in reality, the only day of the week in the English language that has a pagan Roman origin is “Saturday”. In the Hebrew language the 7th day of the week (Saturday) is called “yom Shabbat” and in Ecclesiastical Latin (the official language of the Catholic Church) it is called “sabbatum”. So in other words if one worships the Sabbith on Saturday, are you not then paying homage to the Roman god Saturn? (No, of course not).

The rest of the names of the days of the week are Germanic in origin. But then you are the person who claims that 1/3 of all words in the English language are Hebrew in origin. I’m still waiting for you to provide any proof to that claim….. waiting….waiting…..

Sabbath worship continued until the terrorist thug Constantine turned his army against them.

But yet if it hadn’t been for the Roman Emperor Constantine “converting” to Christianity and spreading Christianity throughout the vast Roman empire , whether his conversion was completely sincerely or not, Christianity would have been a foot note in history, a minor “cult” of Middle Eastern origin and Jesus listed among the many other “Messiahs” of the first century like Simon of Peraea, Athronges and Vespasian. And people of Western European origins like us, might well today be celebrating Wednesday or “Wōdnesdæg” as the most holy day of the week and paying homage to our god Óðinn.

167 posted on 12/27/2012 6:48:09 AM PST by MD Expat in PA
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To: La Lydia

Thanks for the humorless argument and put down (yes, I have been known to watch TV, thank you). My comment about Sheldon was meant to be a lightly sarcastic reference—you know, “humor”. Merry Christmas.


168 posted on 12/27/2012 8:09:45 AM PST by fidelis (Zonie and USAF Cold Warrior)
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To: fidelis
Oooo. Thin-skinned, too. One of those guys who has to be right and can't stand being questioned. Well, here it is just for you, so you can feel your authority has been restored:

I apologize and kiss the hem of your garment, begging for forgiveness, for having the unmitigated gall to explain my post. So Sorry. You are right, I am wrong. What ever you say is right and accurate. A lesser being such as myself was wrong to even comment, since I have not had the advantage of your wisdom on a daily basis. I bow to your superior knowledge and intellect. Please accept my deepest apologies and regrets. Now I will go eat worms.

169 posted on 12/27/2012 11:03:20 AM PST by La Lydia
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To: MD Expat in PA

You just proved my point.


170 posted on 12/27/2012 11:25:13 AM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: editor-surveyor
You just proved my point.

No. I didn't prove your point. But I'm sure you are convinced that I did just like you probably still are convinced in your own mind that 1/3 of the words in the English language are Hebrew in origin.

171 posted on 12/27/2012 11:30:22 AM PST by MD Expat in PA
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To: one Lord one faith one baptism
Paul went to the synagogue to preach Jesus Christ, not to have a Christian worship service.

There was no other day ever commanded to have a worship service. The sabbath is and was the day. It didn't become official in the traditional church to worship on Sunday until a number of centuries after the death of Christ.

Christians worshipped on the first day of the week, since this was the day Jesus rose from the dead.

No doubt some turned their back on the sabbath so they wouldn't be misidentified as Jews who were hated by the Roman empire. But again it took several hundred years for the traditional church to abandon the holy days of Christ.

BTW, when "first day of the week" is referred to in scripture it almost always is literally "the first of sabbaths" or "one of the sabbaths". Considering the timing of the phrase it's likely this was referring to the count of sabbaths between Passover and Pentecost.

the 7th day sabbath was a type of the rest we have in Christ, it points us to Jesus and was fulfilled by Him.

This is certainly a doctrine that developed over time, but it's not biblical.

history is quite clear, the Catholic Faith received from the Apostles NEVER included keeping the 7th day sabbath.

The apostles delivered what had been delivered to them from Christ....worship and honor His holy days. Somewhere along the way people decided their own hides were more important then scripture and changed things around.

172 posted on 12/27/2012 1:17:48 PM PST by DouglasKC
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