Posted on 12/02/2012 5:10:34 AM PST by kindred
There were Jews who cooperated with Romans in killing other Jews, Like Flavius Josephus and Elisha ben Abuya. There are always evil indivuduals. Oppression of Jews was official Christian policy for at least a thousand years. When our Messiah comes, look out.
De-nile aint just a river. Sorry but there are too many witnesses. Polycarp is just one of the great early Christians turned in by the Jews. Every religion has plenty of baggage to carry.
Witnesses? 2000 years ago? Believe what you want to believe.
A liberal wrote this post, trying to split freepers.
And I choose to believe that people could witness things 2000 years ago. And write about them. And people can still deny unpleasant realities today.
Believe whatever mythology you want to believe. Jews had to be discredited for Paulism to spread.
You have no king but Caesar.....
GOD is my King
Do you?
I don’t find NT writings to be inspired. If you were other than a self proclaimed Torah, with a bit of Jesus sprinkled in, expert you’d probably realize the same. Carry on with the “replacement” exercises. I’ll observe while chuckling occasionally.
Just another tortured out of context Christian interpretation. Nothing to see here.
What guessing? Though there is no saying “who was right”, except by believers, there were lots of aspirants, and though the link I provided were some of the more prominent, human history is loaded with people who said they were special, endowed by God or gods, and were intended to be the saviors of their people.
Jesus is by far one of the best claimants, but that does not mean that he was the only one.
Science fiction can rot away your mind and soul. Historical fiction makes one just confused. But I understand what you are conveying to me. I’m headed in a different direction than you, in this matter. Maybe we’ll meet up one day.
[Where is YOUR propitiation that FULLY satisfies the PERFECT DEMANDS OF THE HOLY LAW OF G-D (Isa. 53:10-11, Zech.12:8-14]
Hebrews
10:1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.
10:2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.
10:3 But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.
10:4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.
10:5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:
10:6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.
10:7 Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.
10:8 Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;
10:9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.
10:10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
10:11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:
10:12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;
10:13 From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.
10:14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.
10:15 Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,
10:16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
10:17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.
10:18 Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.
10:19 Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus,
10:20 By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;
10:21 And having an high priest over the house of God;
10:22 Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.
10:23 Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for he is faithful that promised;)
10:24 And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:
10:25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.
10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
10:28 He that despised Moses’ law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
10:30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.
10:31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
10:32 But call to remembrance the former days, in which, after ye were illuminated, ye endured a great fight of afflictions;
10:33 Partly, whilst ye were made a gazingstock both by reproaches and afflictions; and partly, whilst ye became companions of them that were so used.
10:34 For ye had compassion of me in my bonds, and took joyfully the spoiling of your goods, knowing in yourselves that ye have in heaven a better and an enduring substance.
10:35 Cast not away therefore your confidence, which hath great recompence of reward.
10:36 For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise.
10:37 For yet a little while, and he that shall come will come, and will not tarry.
10:38 Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him.
10:39 But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.
IS.
53:1 Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the LORD revealed?
53:2 For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him.
53:3 He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not.
53:4 Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.
53:5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.
53:6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.
53:7 He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth.
53:8 He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken.
53:9 And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth.
53:10 Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand.
53:11 He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.
53:12 Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.
[You would not know Jesus if you tripped over Him.]
The just shall live by faith.
[The Torah is eternal]
The Word of God, the Holy Scriptures, are eternal indeed. When the Torah disagrees with the Scriptures, the Torah is wrong. When Christians disagree with the Word of God, Christians are wrong. Heresy is disagreeing with what the Word of God teaches in both the Old and New Testaments, God will make this clear in His day. The day of the Lord will bring the Kingdom of God in Israel as King of the Jews and Gentiles worldwide and it will Jesus Christ who is King of all the World after the 7 year tribulation to bring in His kingdom for 1000 years as God states in His Word.
[Jesus of Nazareth is just one of the aspirants to being the Mashiach. In his lifetime, a much better claimant was Sabbatai Zevi in the 17th Century]
So you see that Zevi is not the Christ of God, but Jesus is as the Scriptures teach. His name is known world wide and one either loves or hates Him. Why is that do you think?
[Jesus is by far one of the best claimants, but that does not mean that he was the only one.]
There is no other name given under heaven by which we must be saved. There are three that bear witness in Heaven, and these three are one. ONE GOD, ONE FAITH, ONE BAPTISM FOR THE REMISSION OF SINS. Did not John the Baptist declare that he baptizes with water, but there was one standing among them who baptizes with the Holy Ghost? And when Jesus baptized, was it not John who said He that cometh after me is preferred before me, for He was before me. And when John baptized Jesus and He arose out of the water, did not the Father Himself declare “This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.” No man in all mans history has ever been as notorious as our Lord Jesus, the Messiah of Israel, yea, the Christ of God Almighty!
Well, while Jesus conforms to what the Christian gospels demanded of the savior, he did not, from the Jewish point of view, do what the Mashiach is supposed to do. That he did is Christian extrapolation.
From the Jewish point of view, Zevi went a whole lot further on the path of Mashiach. He convinced the European Jews that he was Mashiach, and by doing this, he came close to being what Judism says the Mashiach should be.
None of this heavenly kingdom idea for the Jews. They want a Messiah that rules on Earth. If he rules, creating Jewish hegemony or at least a kingdom on Earth, he is the Messiah. If he does not, he is not.
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