Posted on 10/10/2012 6:43:29 AM PDT by Biggirl
That is why we have FAITH.
I know. I had a hellish ordeal these last few month of dealing with personal illness, heartbreaking illness, and the hardship of having to deal with an ill elderly mother.
“I know. I had a hellish ordeal these last few month of dealing with personal illness, heartbreaking illness, and the hardship of having to deal with an ill elderly mother.”
Correction: “heartbreaking grief of longtime love of 21 lost to death”.
For crying out loud. You are grasping at ephemeral straws. She was clinically DEAD.
Why don’t you put a blindfold on and describe what is going on in the room - and you are not even clinically dead.
In that same article another person - clinically dead - described a shoe on a ledge outside the hospital. She described the position of the shoe and was insistent to her nurse on finding out if such a shoe was there.
The nurse went to check and indeed there was a shoe there just as she described. The shoe was in no way visible from inside the room.
It is obvious you are not very well read on the topic of NDE’s. I suggest you get more informed before presenting your implausible scenarios. Just saying the body is complex is not an answer. And a dissected frog does not have consciousness.
“When some one tells me that the Bible has been changed, my question is what did it say before it was changed?”
The best answer to my understanding is that there wasn’t a Bible until the books and chapters and epistles and letters were collected and selected by popes, emperors and theologians.
It has always amazed me that there is ONE Bible but scores of denominations interpreting it to their satisfaction.
Religions are not some pure theological organizations uninfluenced by politics, culture, paganism, and even warfare. Not to mention reformations challenging orthodoxy.
There have been 8 primary versions of the Bible found throughout history - Greek, Latin, German, English, etc. And 11 different English versions - King James version, etc.
Popes, Emperors and theologians decided upon the chapters to be included in the Bible. They couldn’t even decide on the Trinity until the Council of Nicea.
The Council of Nicea 325 A.D. ( Emperor Constantine and 318 bishops) set the foundations for the Christianity we know today. I doubt very much it was the Christianity practiced by Jesus.
As for whether Jesus taught reincarnation, I find it amusing - especially among the extreme literalists, that the most literal passage in the Bible refuses to be interpreted literally - “Ye Must Be Born Again.”
And then there is the whole matter of the Gnostic Gospels and the other excluded books and writings. I’ve read the Gospel According to Thomas
Well whatever floats your boat.
FYI, clinical death is not permanent legal death. Clinical death is reversible via techniques such as CPR, defibrillation, epinephrine injection, etc. Clinical death may be induced and reversed in a controlled manner.
In the case of controlled clinical death such as described in the article, a patient may remain in such clinically dead state for many hours without suffering ischemic injury.
Why don’t you put a blindfold on and describe what is going on in the room - and you are not even clinically dead.
I don't need a blindfold to describe what goes on in an operating room, an accident scene, or attempts to resuscitation a person under cardiac arrest. I suspect you have watched enough television and movies to be able to give a description as well.
Under normal circumstances, surgery patients have an awareness ahead of time that they will be in an operating room. Most accident victims have some awareness as the accident is unfolding. I suspect most suffering a heart attack have some awareness that a heart attack may be a possibility prior to their losing consciousness.
Memories from these final moments of consciousness might later be processed by the unconscious brain in a manner similar to the way the sleeping brain takes events from the wakeful past and reassembles them as a dream. Sometimes very convincing dreams.
In that same article another person - clinically dead - described a shoe on a ledge outside the hospital. She described the position of the shoe and was insistent to her nurse on finding out if such a shoe was there.
The nurse went to check and indeed there was a shoe there just as she described. The shoe was in no way visible from inside the room.
What patient, what nurse, what hospital, what procedure, what date, what attending medical team, what original source publication did the tennis shoe story appear in? The tennis shoe story while interesting proves nothing. By this time in Salon Magazine, it's a second hand story at best.
It is obvious you are not very well read on the topic of NDE’s. I suggest you get more informed before presenting your implausible scenarios. Just saying the body is complex is not an answer. And a dissected frog does not have consciousness.
Because you only read NDE stories supportive of what you want to believe does not mean you are well read on NDE's. It's also obvious you are not even superficially read on medicine, biology and science.
It’s easier educating an MSNBC liberal.
I guess we will see when the time comes. Unlike me and millions of others you have obviously never had any psychic experiences. Like Randi you just dismiss it out of hand.
I can understand if you are an atheist, but for any Christian not to embrace the idea of spirit and the afterlife is a bit confounding. If heaven exists why wouldn’t one be able to get glimpses of it?
Yep.
Unlike me and millions of others you have obviously never had any psychic experiences.
That is correct.
Like Randi you just dismiss it out of hand.
Help me out here. Where did I say I deny the possibility?
If you’ve never experienced the unexplainable your contributions to this exchange are puerile. And those who have felt the beyond realize the experience surpasses all understanding.
Rather like cursing the darkness instead of shining a light.
Maybe, just maybe, the little kid and this doctor have set the record straight once and for all on the issue of life after death.
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