Posted on 03/17/2012 7:26:45 AM PDT by GonzoII
WOW!! WOW!! WOW!! Learn what happened AT THE CROSS - HE didn't just give up the ghost like your 'many thousands of persons'.
Scripture points out that there were two other persons crucified with Jesus, one clearly not deserving of Salvation.
NO ONE IS DESERVING. The one who did receive salvation knew that.
The cross became a Christian symbol because it was a way to effectively give the finger to the might of Rome.
Poor 'victim' Rome! Who the heck ever thinks of Rome when they look at the cross but pagans/deceived. They were, merely, 'used' to fulfill the will of God. They had no might.
It was a way of saying; you gave Him the worst, most excruciating (from a Latin word meaning from the cross) death that the Roman Empire could imagine and He overcame it.
The Roman Empire couldn't do ANYTHING to Jesus because HE GAVE HIMSELF WILLINGLY, He came to give His Life! It is Written.
AND "Do you think I cannot call on My Father, and He will, at once, put at My disposal more than twelve legions of angels?" Matthew 26:53
Everyone who was and will be conceived put JESUS on the cross because ALL need/needed a Savior. John 3:16
"Resurrection and the Life" ......Easter, the most Holy Day in the Catholic Liturgical Calendar
Christians call it and celebrate - RESURRECTION SUNDAY! Thank You, JESUS!!
Why was Christ resurrected?
I concur,dear friend.
Nice to see you back,and I love your gentle humble demeanor in dealing with others these days
The “Bible according to” each redeemed man’s renewed conscience, led and taught by the Holy Spirit, a merciful and unearned gift of God.
Read your Bible. That’s how it works. If a child can grasp the truth of Jesus Christ, you and I should be able to understand, God willing.
A while back I entered into Diaconate formation which caused me to examine my entire life. I saw what participation in the Religion Forum was doing to me and the kind of person the repeated exposure to the corrosive comments was making me become and I didn't like what I saw.
I took nearly 6 months away from FR to pray and reflect. I was prepared to abandon FR forever because it presented a near occasion of sin. But the problem wasn't FR, it was me. If I walked away from FR I had to be prepared to walk away from the whole world and that would be counter to the mission of the Diaconate, which is to serve God and His Church by serving the Gospel, the Liturgy and Charity.
I also realized that the anti-Catholic and non-Christian behavior cannot harm God or the Church and can only harm me if I react to it in a non-Christian manner. I also know that every scheme or stunt Satan devises to compromise Christians can be the stick we use to beat him if we react to it as Christians.
Gob Bless you.
So was Calvin the one not ‘led and taught by the Holy Spirit’ or was Arminius?
How does that work?
If we are going to engage in dialog about God we should at least endeavor to do it honestly. I understand and appreciate the simplistic approach to Scriptural interpretation, but no one on these threads, you included, actually does this. In your posting history are numerous citations of non-Scriptural sources, not the least among them being the writings of Jean Calvin.
The reasonable man can only conclude that the point of contention is not the reliance upon secondary sources, but upon the selection and credibility of those sources and how we rationalize or justify our acceptance of them.
Amen.
No man has all the answers. Calvin was more correct than Arminius.
If you expect anything in this life to be perfect, you will be disappointed.
I never promised you a rose garden. 8~)
Jesus commanded, and St. Paul reminded, to treat each other with love and respect, not ridicule, scorn and derision.
We would all do well to remember that, before the Scripture was Canonized, to address the disputes over doctrine, the Church developed the Creeds, to articulate the articles of faith. Catholics fully embrace the Nicene and Apostles Creeds, as I hope you do. I pray that you will accept Him and put your anger behind you.
Peace be with you and may you celebrate a spiritful Holy Week and a Joyous Easter.
Thanks for your reply. I agree on the rose garden. :)
How does one determine whether Calvin was more correct than Arminius or vice-versa? And, if one chooses between the two views, there are quite radically different conclusions and results in one’s faith.
I think, as NL indicates, it is a question of authority. You seem to hold, like many on here, that it ultimately falls on each individual to decide and determine all these questions.
I think that is impractical and unworkable, with the result quite contrary to One Lord, one faith, one baptism.
So, as I’ve said often here: sola scriptura is both unscriptural and fails in practice.
Other than that...
:)
It's the same reason why I take long breaks away too.
But, that said ,there is a demonic presence on some threads that no responses are ever needed because they are dangerous traps,only prayer and fasting can help
The are many things on FR that tear at my heart and I bring with me to pray for at Adoration
I wish you a blessed day!
I believe Calvin was more correct than Arminius because his theology lines up with Scripture more than Arminius’.
As Harleyd once said, it was only after he studied Calvinism and Augustine did the Bible make real sense. I believe that, too. Reading the Bible with the idea that God is preeminent and has ordained all that exists and occurs clarifies both the good and the bad that happen to us in this life. This is how people used to read the Bible for centuries, including children.
“All things work for the good of those who love God, those who are called according to His purpose.” — Romans 8:28
"Called according to His purpose..."
All men are fallen and all men deserve hell.
For reasons known only to God, some men are chosen to received the free, unearned, unmerited gift of grace through faith in Jesus Christ.
If that includes you, your life should be filled with gratitude, obedience and joy.
Mine is. Thank you, God, for your free gift of salvation. Thank you, Jesus, for your sacrifice on my behalf. Thank you, Holy Spirit, for inhabiting my life and leading me to Christ.
When i said Mary was no one’s mother but Jesus, I phrased the sentence awkwardly. I believe Mary had several other children, as the Bible tells us.
I do not believe, as the RCC teaches, that Mary is the “Mother of the Universe” and the “Mother of all believers.”
That is sacrilege and appears no one where in the Bible. In fact, it is contradicted by Christ when he corrects the crowd’s error to say his real mother and family are not Mary and his brothers and sisters, but all true believers.
Roman Catholics simply ignore those oft-repeated (read inconvenient) verses.
There is no doubt that the role of conscience plays a significant role in ones conversion, but conscience is not itself the source of the moral law. To be redeemed it must be informed and the moral judgment enlightened learning, reason and prayer.
Fortunately, for you and me, this isn't a question of "he said - she said" in which the outcome will be determined based upon our individual credibilities. This is a long standing disagreement between two opposing sets of authorities. Your chosen authorities believe Scripture is interpreted one way, mine another. I don't see any immediate resolution, at last not while either of us is alive. In the mean time, lets share common ground and rejoice in the Lord. The last thing Jesus or Mary would want is for this to divide Christendom especially now that it is under attack.
"For our rejoicing is this, the testimony of our conscience, that in simplicity and godly sincerity, not with fleshly wisdom, but by the grace of God, we have had our conversation in the world, and more abundantly to you-ward."
I then asked you "why Christ was resurrected". Which you never answered. But that's okay. I'll answer it, because it is important.
God was able to resurrect Jesus Christ because the penalty for OUR SINS had been paid IN FULL, BY THE CROSS. It is at the Cross that "we have redemption THROUGH HIS BLOOD" (Eph. 1:7), "we are JUSTIFIED BY HIS BLOOD" (Rom. 5:9), "RECONCILED TO GOD by the DEATH OF HIS SON" (Rom. 5:10), "made nigh BY THE BLOOD OF CHRIST" (Eph. 2:13) and "made the RIGHTEOUSNESS of God IN HIM" because "GOD HATH MADE HIM TO BE SIN FOR US" (2 Cor. 5:21).
It IS THE CROSS that makes the Resurrection of Christ OUR GUARANTEE that OUR SINS ARE PAID FOR. If there had been ONE SIN that Christ had not died for, God the Father could not have raised Him from the dead, because the penalty for even a single sin is death. The FACT that God was able to raise Christ from the dead is our guarantee from Him that IT IS FINISHED.
"For THE PREACHING OF THE CROSS is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God..."But WE PREACH CHRIST CRUCIFIED, unto the Jews a stumbling block and unto the Greeks foolishness; But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God." (1 Cor. 1:18,20,22-24).
Do Catholics not believe that it was at the Cross that all their sins were paid for by Christ?
Amen
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