To My "Bible Only" Christian Brothers and Sisters, From A Catholic Convert [a humble vanity]

[Country Gal]

I have a friend who smuggles Bibles into the underground churches in China every year. It’s interesting how precious the Bible is to them. It’s not about the Catechism or other church history, it’s the Bible.

Before you think the Bible doesn’t matter, you need to talk to people who risk their lives taking it to the people who so desperately want a copy of it. It’s precious. It’s Truth. It’s nothing less than annointed, and you’d better be careful saying otherwise.

[Heart-Rest]

Strange thing of this rejection of Matthew's Gospel is that it sure did not come from Peter. So somebody else down the line of cutting new keys came up with the attempt to discredit Matthew's WRITINGS.... Recently there was another Freeper who attempted to question the legitimacy of Matthew, but, I never thought the attempt was to discredit Christ's own exhortations. WOW I am still shaking my head over how some things get exposed.

There is no atttempt at all here to question the legitimacy of the Gospel of Matthew. You totally missed the point, which was the fact that there is no text in the Bible anywhere that says the "Four Gospels belong in the Bible", or "the Epistles of the Apostle Paul belong in the Bible", etc. The books that were included in the New Testament of the Bible were ALL selected by human beings inside of Catholic Church Councils.

All Catholics (including me) LOVE the Gospel of Matthew, and it is read very often during Mass, and at other times.

The Catholic Church Councils that decided which writings should be included in the official Canon of Holy Scripture (under the infallible guidance of the Holy Spirit), were the ones who PICKED the Gospel of Matthew (and the other books) to be included in the Canon of the New Testament.

[FamiliarFace]

Placemark for further reading.

[CynicalBear]

One question. Show me from scripture the bodily assumption of Mary and the adoration given her by the Catholics.

[CynicalBear]

>> See how faith worked with his works, and by works was faith made perfect? James 2:22<<

“Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God? Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.” John 6:28-29

[Just mythoughts]

There is no atttempt at all here to question the legitimacy of the Gospel of Matthew. You totally missed the point, which was the fact that there is no text in the Bible anywhere that says the "Four Gospels belong in the Bible", or "the Epistles of the Apostle Paul belong in the Bible", etc. The books that were included in the New Testament of the Bible were ALL selected by human beings inside of Catholic Church Councils. All Catholics (including me) LOVE the Gospel of Matthew, and it is read very often during Mass, and at other times. The Catholic Church Councils that decided which writings should be included in the official Canon of Holy Scripture (under the infallible guidance of the Holy Spirit), were the ones who PICKED the Gospel of Matthew (and the other books) to be included in the Canon of the New Testament.

I do NOT worship objects, buildings, flesh beings men or women. Truly amazing what flesh beings love to puff themselves up and over when in fact they have only as much power and 'control' as the Creator allows...

Before there ever was a 'church' there was the Creator and from the beginning of this age that is NOW (Peter's keys) some were elected to serve the Heavenly Father so that all that pass through this flesh age would have access to the Plan. Reason why God so love His children that He sent His only Begotten Son, so that whomsoever 'believed' in Him would be given life eternal...

The church is suppose to 'feed my sheep', NOT huff and puff of their superiority and so called stature.

[Heart-Rest]

One question. Show me from scripture the bodily assumption of Mary and the adoration given her by the Catholics.

We give Mary veneration (great honor), not "adoration". We give adoration to God alone.

As to your question, are you saying that if it isn't in the Scriptures, it didn't happen?

So, from your viewpoint, if Mary's death is not recorded in the Scriptures, it never happened either, is that correct?

[Natural Law]

"I do not pray to make God like me better."

We Catholics believe that we do not pray to change God or to wear Him down. Further, there is nothing we have done, nothing we have thought, nothing that we need or want that He does not already know. We primarily pray to bring about change within ourselves. Sometimes this takes repetition and reinforcement, but none of it vain.

Endless sectarian sniping serves no one but Satan. Let us ask our Protestant brothers and sisters to unite with us in the love of Christ and one another to face the challenges and threats of this world and these times.

"Therefore let us not judge one another anymore, but rather determine this— not to put an obstacle or a stumbling block in a brother’s way." - Romans 14:13

[CynicalBear]

Let’s look at what Jesus thought of physically ingesting his flesh and blood.

Matthew 15:17 Do not ye yet understand, that whatsoever entereth in at the mouth goeth into the belly, and is cast out into the draught?

[Heart-Rest]

I’m glad you’re back in!

[Heart-Rest]

Thanks for your kind words.

Now, I am going to try to go get adjusted to losing an hour of sleep for Daylight Saving Time.    :-)

Good night to you and to everyone posting or reading here.

God bless you.

[Natural Law]

"Let’s look at what Jesus thought of physically ingesting his flesh and blood."

Except that Jesus was not referring to His body in Matthew 15:17, He was explaining a parable about Kosher requirements. To presume that this one out of context verse negates His many commands to eat His body and drink His blood and His references to the bread of life is just not plausible.

Further, you have to understand the philosophical difference between accident and substance to understand the Catholic teaching on this subject. If you would like some more information I would be more than happy to help you. If not I see no reason to arm wrestle you over this.

[CynicalBear]

>> As to your question, are you saying that if it isn't in the Scriptures, it didn't happen?<<

I asked you to show me the veneration of Mary and the bodily assumption of Mary from scripture. Don’t try to dodge the question. Such an important doctrine of the RCC would surely have been written about by the apostles who the RCC says were at her funeral. Transported no less. Catholics hold Mary in high esteem but look at Jesus own words.

Luke 11:27-28 27 And it came to pass, as he spake these things, a certain woman of the company lifted up her voice, and said unto him, Blessed is the womb that bare thee, and the paps which thou hast sucked. 28 But he said, Nay rather, (Greek Menounge: nay surely, nay rather) blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it.

The words spoken to Mary were no different then were spoken to Jael in Judges. In fact, Jael was called blessed above women. Mary was called blessed among women.

Luke 1:28 And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.

Judges 5:24 Blessed above women shall Jael the wife of Heber the Kenite be,

Those words were also spoken of Noah, Moses, and David.

[kitkat]

PING FOR FURTHER READING

[Natural Law]

"I asked you to show me....."

What is faith?

[Persevero]

“You can look at the Bible as a rule book. In football, if you had the current rule book, but no refs to interpret and apply the rules in the rule book, you would end up with complete chaos on the field.

In the religious world, if you remove the refs (the Church) you will end up with chaos, like the 34,000-plus denominations we now have, all seeing the “rule book” quite differently. “

And yet, you don’t believe the refs must submit to the rule book?

It seems to me lack of submission to this rule book would result in the 34,000 plus denominations.

[ottbmare]

What on earth makes you suppose that I "think the Bible doesn't matter"? Is there one place in anything I've written at any time on Free Republic that would give a reason to believe that I "think the Bible doesn't matter"?

[ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton]

LOL. You are very funny.

[ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton]

James 2:24 You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only. KJV

[vpintheak]

We might be able to be one, when Catholics quite claiming they are the only real church. Until then I will continue to follow Christ.