How to Become A Christian

Joh 6:37 All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out.

Joh 6:44 No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. And I will raise him up on the last day.

Does anyone have a good explanation how God could come up with the magnificent creation of man, and relatively speaking, the whole plan literally went to hell 5 minutes after creation when Eve came into the picture?

Well, I could say that's what happens when women enter the picture but I'd better not. :O)

I would suggest you answered your own question. The only logical and rational explanation is that this was all part of the plan of God. And it was to simply show us how we are not as "magnificent" as we think we are. In fact, we are bent towards hell and destruction from day one as evidence when the first law was given not to eat of the forbidden fruit. The very thing that we shouldn't do, we do. And its been that way ever since. Everything that God does, every law that He has given, has been for our benefit and our care. And yet we continuously disobey those laws and commands. To help us over this He has given us His grace which we still refuse if it wasn't for Him opening our eyes and ears.

As far as Noah goes, you're underestimating the wickedness and corruption of man. God's wrath exists because it is the only way in our wickedness we will respond to bring us back to Him. If you have any doubts, look at what happens when we have a catastrophe. People flock to the churches all the while questioning how a loving God could do such a thing. (Yet, off they go the next day into a life of sin.) For God to have destroyed the whole earth except Noah and his family simply shows how far we can go as a people.

Christ did not come yet because it wasn't the "fullness of time". It's all part of a plan.

Excellent article, wmfights. Thanks.

Many who have posted here seem not to understand the difference between “becoming” a Christian and “being” a Christian.

For whatever reason, they do understand that “becoming a Boy Scout” is different than “being” a Boy Scout.

If I might add to that, I think we look at these moments where God acts against our wickedness and we only think about the wrath, but we forget the mercy. Noah is a perfect example, the world had become so wicked that God cleansed it. However, He saved a remnant. IOW, God is just but is also merciful where none is deserved.

God is just but is also merciful where none is deserved.

Amen. I think of the verse,

"Rom 8:28 And we know that for those who love God all things work together for good, for those who are called according to his purpose."

If we truly understand that verse, then every time we question why something happens to us or why something didn't go the way we would like it to have gone, it is simply reflective of our sinful nature. God is giving us the very best for our lives even though we may not understand it. Therefore we should rejoice in all things, knowing that this is the will of God.

God's wrath, otoh, is really nothing more than a loving God protecting us and His creation from our evil devices.

God is just but is also merciful where none is deserved.

Please believe me when I say I’m not happy playing the devils advocate here. I’m seeking. My question concerning your statement is what about the babies; the one, two, three year old children that drowned slowly as they watched their mothers die also. You can say their parents were sinners but not these children who died horrific deaths and suffered deep psychological trauma at the same time. Why bother bringing these children into the world, some of them maybe only one day old, just to kill them so young? I’m guessing the response will be the catch-all that God is sovereign and there are some questions that only he knows the answer to. Boy, do I sometimes wish he left the inquisitive side out of my brain! Hold it. Then I’d be a liberal!

My question concerning your statement is what about the babies; the one, two, three year old children that drowned slowly as they watched their mothers die also. You can say their parents were sinners but not these children who died horrific deaths and suffered deep psychological trauma at the same time.

Do you believe the babies were sinless?

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