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Pope highlights Mary's role as 'woman of the apocalypse'
Catholic News Agency ^ | 12/28/11 | Benjamin Mann

Posted on 12/27/2011 8:24:19 PM PST by RnMomof7

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To: CynicalBear

I have read and heard those words before. As I recall they are not too far from sayings about receiving by the same measure with which one distributes and being judged by the standard with which one judges.

I do not mean to pretend to God that I am more virtuous and faithful than I am. As I am candid with Him, I trust Him to grow the faith, resignation, and confidence my soul needs.

Which of us believes that these things are not gifts? And, believing they are gifts, why should I fake having them when I have but to ask? And believing they are unmerited gifts how could I look down on someone who didn’t have them as much as I think they should?

How could I even dare to say how much God should give to another or to me? Do I not trust Him to do in me what pleases Him?

I trust His love to persist even in the face of my lack of trust.


361 posted on 12/30/2011 7:19:38 AM PST by Mad Dawg (Jesus, I trust in you.)
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To: caww; metmom

And so often when we look back on our path there is only one set of footprints but we realize that those are His and He was carrying us through.


362 posted on 12/30/2011 7:21:46 AM PST by CynicalBear
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To: CynicalBear
What truly brings peace beyond all is Praying incessantly for others more than yourself. I know the peace of God from Jesus by my actions in Him. Prayers in action bring Peace of God.

I have that peace so can any of us( Not to say people here do not) but it is nice to be reminded with all that life throws at us.

Philippians 4:6-7

“Do not be anxious about anything, but in everything, by prayer and petition, with thanksgiving, present your requests to God. And the PEACE of GOD, which transcends all understanding, will guard your hearts and your minds in Christ Jesus.”

That "AMEN" is so true in my Life.

Praise Jesus! AMEN! AMEN!!

363 posted on 12/30/2011 7:33:14 AM PST by johngrace (I am a 1 John 4! Christian- declared at every Sunday Mass ,Divine Mercy and Rosary prayers!)
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To: marbren

Sometime, IMHO,the distinction between confession and petition dwindles almost to meaninglessness.


364 posted on 12/30/2011 8:43:22 AM PST by Mad Dawg (Jesus, I trust in you.)
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To: narses
"That comment from a poster who denigrates Easter and Christmas as PAGAN. If you need salt, I understand."

You know, every time one of these folks with their own personal religion of Self gets on a roll with their hokum rather than just playing their usual little games, they sound more and more like the Iz Lame folks who blew up a Catholic Church on Christmas Day. Odd that folks who claim to be the "real Christians" end up having so much in common with Iz Lame. Then again, Calvinist volunteers formed groups to fight with the Mooze Lames against Catholic parts of Europe, so maybe whatever spirit it is that leads them always ends up leading them to cooperation with Iz Lame. That would explain why they're so anxious to repeat lies about the Catholic Chruch and the Pope with regard to Iz Lame in hopes of diverting attention away from how much they have in common with Iz Lame and the Profit. One thing for sure, Mooze Lames love to quote from, "The Jews and Their Lies", by Luther the same way the Nazi party loved to quote from the same book by Luther.

Regards

365 posted on 12/30/2011 10:27:22 AM PST by Rashputin (Obama stark, raving, mad, and even his security people know it.)
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To: CynicalBear; metmom; RegulatorCountry; johngrace; Mad Dawg
I'm in and out of the house today and thus cannot make heroic epistolary efforts ("That's a joke, son")---

but the key to Catholic doctrine on Mary is Scriptural: not one of these doctrrines can be correctly understood outside of Scripture. And even more urgently, no doctrine on Mary can be understood outside of Christ: He is the supreme and original, she is (like any disciple) derivative, dependent and finite, a sort of reflection.

So let me offer you this nifty video (Link) which just covers the high points.

(I really hope you will look at this, it provides a thought-provoking Scriptural background.)

On another topic: I don't think the Church can be thought of as replacing Israel. Permit me a fast cut-and-paste from the Catholic Catechism here:

When she delves into her own mystery, the Church, the People of God in the New Covenant, discovers her link with the Jewish People, "the first to hear the Word of God." The Jewish faith, unlike other non-Christian religions, is already a response to God's revelation in the Old Covenant. To the Jews "belong the sonship, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the law, the worship, and the promises; to them belong the patriarchs, and of their race, according to the flesh, is the Christ", "for the gifts and the call of God are irrevocable."

You can read that part of the Catechism in context HERE (Link)

It would be better to say that the Church is prefigured and prophesied in Israel.

Likewise Israel abounds in types, not only for the Church, but also for Mary, and of course there is overlap, as so many of the prophecies are multiplex: they are true not just once, but true over and over, in different ways.

Just a handful of examples: Mary is

And that's just drawing from the females mentioned by Matthew in the Genealogy. There are more.

Just a few little items for us to ponder, "turning them over in our hearts."

Good day to you all!

366 posted on 12/30/2011 11:21:05 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o ("Behold,. all generations will call me blessed.")
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Very nice.


367 posted on 12/30/2011 1:25:01 PM PST by Mad Dawg (Jesus, I trust in you.)
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To: UriÂ’el-2012
Jews have always believed that there is ONLY ONE YHvH !

That is why they are not considered Christians.

The RCC introduced the concept of Three gods: father, son and ghost.

The concept of multiple persons started as far back as Ignatius, Polycarp, Barnabas and Justin Martyr. Now, that was seen in more of a subordinationist light; Origen of Alexandria was a proponent.

No, Trinitarianism was formalized at Nicea with the vast majority of clergy there non Roman. Your post fails again.

Yah'shua said he and the "father" are ONE. Father and son are metaphors.

Obviously they are metaphors. One what? Did Jesus pray to Himself in the Garden? Did Jesus Ascend and then send Himself to the room at Pentecost?

I think that we will have to admit that once again, you do not preach Christianity. Neither Christian nor Jew and rejected by both...

368 posted on 12/30/2011 1:40:49 PM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: MarkBsnr

MarkBsnr Have you ever heard of Benjamin Fulford? I tried to post an interview with him about the 137 billion dollar bond seizure in Italy and the current lawsuit in New York but it was pulled by the FR moderators?


369 posted on 12/30/2011 2:52:39 PM PST by marbren (I do not know but, Thank God, God knows)
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To: MarkBsnr
Uri'el>Jews have always believed that there is ONLY ONE YHvH !

That is why they are not considered Christians.

By your reasoning
then Yah'shua , Peter, Paul,
Matthew, Luke, and John
were not Christians.

That is true they were all Jews.

And all but Yah'shua were Messianic Jews.

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
370 posted on 12/30/2011 2:59:47 PM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: marbren
MarkBsnr Have you ever heard of Benjamin Fulford? I tried to post an interview with him about the 137 billion dollar bond seizure in Italy and the current lawsuit in New York but it was pulled by the FR moderators?

Are you talking about the nutjob that blames the Japanese earthquake and tsunami on the US Government and various one world order types?

371 posted on 12/30/2011 3:03:48 PM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: MarkBsnr
Uri'el>The RCC introduced the concept of Three gods: father, son and ghost.

The concept of multiple persons started as far back as Ignatius, Polycarp, Barnabas and Justin Martyr. Now, that was seen in more of a subordinationist light; Origen of Alexandria was a proponent.

They were all Greeks introducing Greek Pagan
syndicalism of a pantheon of gods.
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
372 posted on 12/30/2011 3:07:14 PM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: UriÂ’el-2012
Uri'el>Jews have always believed that there is ONLY ONE YHvH !

That is why they are not considered Christians. By your reasoning then Yah'shua , Peter, Paul, Matthew, Luke, and John were not Christians.

They believed in the divinity of Christ as separate from the Father. You don't, as evidenced by the fact that you cannot answer me within your belief system as to the prayers in the Garden and in the sending of Jesus by the Father and in the sending of the Holy Spirit by Jesus. Does God perform all these (and many other actions) upon Himself?

Did Jesus raise Himself from the dead, or did God the Father?

373 posted on 12/30/2011 3:08:14 PM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: UriÂ’el-2012
Uri'el>The RCC introduced the concept of Three gods: father, son and ghost.

The concept of multiple persons started as far back as Ignatius, Polycarp, Barnabas and Justin Martyr. Now, that was seen in more of a subordinationist light; Origen of Alexandria was a proponent.

They were all Greeks

Up until now you were calling all this a Roman Church invention. Are you unaware of the differences between the Greeks and the Romans to the extent that you will not believe that Constantine based his empire in Turkey, he never headed the Church, and that the divinity of Christ was accepted by the Church (although in a subordinationist fashion) by the Apostles?

Jesus told the Apostles that He will go to His Father and that His Father was greater than He? Are you accusing Jesus of multiple personality disorder?

374 posted on 12/30/2011 3:15:06 PM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: MarkBsnr

I do not know, I want to know about the lawsuit in New York?


375 posted on 12/30/2011 3:19:04 PM PST by marbren (I do not know but, Thank God, God knows)
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To: MarkBsnr
Uri'el>Yah'shua said he and the "father" are ONE. Father and son are metaphors.

Obviously they are metaphors. One what? Did Jesus pray to Himself in the Garden? Did Jesus Ascend and then send Himself to the room at Pentecost? I think that we will have to admit that once again, you do not preach Christianity. Neither Christian nor Jew and rejected by both...

So you are so all-knowing,
that you, a created being, a sinner,
whose works are like filthy rags,
can with absolute precision DEFINE
who or what Elohim:YHvH is except
what He has told us in His WORD.

That seems to be the pinnacle
of arrogance and blasphemy.

Seek YHvH in His WORD !

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
376 posted on 12/30/2011 3:21:18 PM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: marbren
I do not know, I want to know about the lawsuit in New York?

All I know is that he paid out about 135k euros to an American journalist in a Japanese court case. Not sure if I can help much further.

377 posted on 12/30/2011 3:34:52 PM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: MarkBsnr

Thank You


378 posted on 12/30/2011 3:41:29 PM PST by marbren (I do not know but, Thank God, God knows)
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To: UriÂ’el-2012
Uri'el>Yah'shua said he and the "father" are ONE. Father and son are metaphors.

Obviously they are metaphors. One what? Did Jesus pray to Himself in the Garden? Did Jesus Ascend and then send Himself to the room at Pentecost? I think that we will have to admit that once again, you do not preach Christianity. Neither Christian nor Jew and rejected by both...

So you are so all-knowing, that you, a created being, a sinner, whose works are like filthy rags, can with absolute precision DEFINE who or what Elohim:YHvH is except what He has told us in His WORD. That seems to be the pinnacle of arrogance and blasphemy. Seek YHvH in His WORD !

I gave you His word. You have rejected it. Who is the arrogant blasphemer now?

379 posted on 12/30/2011 4:11:28 PM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: MarkBsnr
Shabbat Shalom !

Seek YHvH in His WORD not in man's tradition.

Yah'shua rebuked the Pharisee's Tradition.

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach

380 posted on 12/30/2011 4:28:32 PM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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