Posted on 11/23/2011 11:11:08 AM PST by marshmallow
you read my mind!
Remember that the next time you see your father.
Where did you get this idea from?
Next......
Gill's Exposition of the Entire Bible [http://bible.cc/matthew/23-9.htm]
And call no man your father upon the earth,.... Not but that children may, and should call their natural parents, fathers; and such who have been instrumental in the conversion of souls, may be rightly called by them their spiritual fathers; as servants and scholars also, may call those that are over them, and instruct them, their masters: our Lord does not mean, by any of these expressions, to set aside all names and titles, of natural and civil distinction among men, but only to reject all such names and titles, as are used to signify an authoritative power over men's consciences, in matters of faith and obedience; in which, God and Christ are only to be attended to.
Christ's sense is, that he would have his disciples not fond of any titles of honour at all; and much less assume an authority over men, as if they were to depend on them, as the founders of the Christian religion, the authors of its doctrines and ordinances; and to take that honour to themselves, which did not belong to them; nor even choose to be called by such names, as would lead people to entertain too high an opinion of them, and take off of their dependence on God the Father, and himself, as these titles the Scribes and Pharisees loved to be called by, did: and who were called not only by the name of Rabbi, but Abba, "Father", also: hence we read of Abba Saul, or "Father" Saul (n); Abba Jose ben Jochanan, a man of Jerusalem (o), Abba Chanan (p), Abba Chelphetha, a man of the village of Hananiah (q); Abba Gorion (r), and others; and this name was , "a name of honour, even as Rabbi" (s), and of great authority: the wise men are said to be , "the fathers of all" (t), to whom all gave heed, and upon whom all depended, as so many oracles.
There is a whole treatise in their Misna, called Pirke Abot, which contains some of the oracles, and peculiar sayings of these "fathers", the Misnic doctors, and which are preferred to the writings of Moses, and the prophets. In this sense, and upon this score, our Lord inveighs against them, and cautions his disciples against giving or taking all such titles, in such sense. "For one is your Father, which is in heaven"; who is so, both by creation and adoption, and is possessed of all paternal authority; and is to be honoured and obeyed by all; from whom all wisdom and knowledge is derived, and who has the care and government of all in heaven and in earth.
Where did you get this idea from?
well, since i proved he didn’t get it from the Council of Ephesus, who knows, maybe his butt??
“Only an idiot “
there you have it, every Christian up until the 16th century was an idiot.
“Jesus died ONCE”
you seem like an expert in the Faith, how many times does the Church teach Jesus died?
It was at the council of Ephesus in 431 that the Catholic Church formally adopted the “mother of God” doctrine after which then they considered her “queen of heaven” .
"There should be no doubt in anyone's mind "that all the faithful ought to show to this most holy sacrament [wafer which allegedly has been transformed in to Christ's body] the worship which is DUE TO THE TRUE GOD, as has always been the custom of the Catholic Church. Nor is it to be adored any the less because it was instituted by Christ to be eaten." [quoting Trent]...he is to be ADORED there because he is SUBSTANTIALLY [physically] present there...WHOLE AND ENTIRE, GOD AND MAN...PERMANENTLY..through that conversion of bread and wine which, as the Council of Trent tells us, is most aptly named transubstantiation. ...in the Eucharist we become partakers of the Body and Blood of God's only Son...[and] the partaking of the Body and Blood of Christ has no less an effect than to CHANGE US INTO WHAT WE HAVE RECEIVED.Vatican II. Austin Flannery, O.P.,gen ed., Vatican Council II: The Conciliar and Post Conciliar Documents, rev.ed. (Costello Publishing, 1988), vol. 1, pp. 104,107,109.
Just as a SMALL aside, where does the blood of Christ come from? When Christ came to His disciples on the resurrection evening they thought they were seeing a spirit. To prove He was alive, He said,"Handle me and see, for a spirit hath not FLESH AND BONES, as ye see Me have." NOT FLESH AND BLOOD. Luke 24:39. The one disciple not present was Thomas.
But when Christ returned a week later, He invited Thomas to "Reach hither thy hand and thrust it into my side, and be not faithless, but believing." (John 20:27). Did Thomas' hand come back all bloody after he thrust it into Christ's wound? No. The gaping hole into which Thomas could thrust his whole hand into is further evidence that there is NO BLOOD in Christ's body. So, where does the blood come from that the wine is "turned into"?
oLofob: you seem like an expert in the Faith, how many times does the Church teach Jesus died?
Nobody needs to be an expert to understand plain English.
Hebrews 9:11-12 11But when Christ appeared as a high priest of the good things that have come, then through the greater and more perfect tent ( not made with hands, that is, not of this creation) 12he entered once for all into the holy places, not by means of the blood of goats and calves but by means of his own blood, thus securing an eternal redemption.
Hebrews 9:24-28 24For Christ has entered, not into holy places made with hands, which are copies of the true things, but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God on our behalf. 25Nor was it to offer himself repeatedly, as the high priest enters the holy places every year with blood not his own, 26for then he would have had to suffer repeatedly since the foundation of the world. But as it is, he has appeared once for all at the end of the ages to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself. 27And just as it is appointed for man to die once, and after that comes judgment, 28so Christ, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, will appear a second time, not to deal with sin but to save those who are eagerly waiting for him.
It boggles the mind the rationalizations that people will use to justify disobeying the clear teachings of Jesus.
news flash to CB and any other Arians out there:
Christians believe Jesus Christ is God.
You mean like passages on Peter being the rock, eating the literal body and blood of Christ, the keys of heaven and retaining and remitting sins?
When it suits Catholicism, they can interpret literally with the best of them.
Those types of comments should have been given up in third grade.
Remembrance: One Sacrifice—Calvary—Continued
Roman Catholic Christians take the word of God seriously and seek to remember Christ in the Last Supper “as often as” possible. And in doing this proclaim the death of the Lord until he comes.
1 Cor 11:24-26
“This is my body that is for you. Do this in remembrance of me.” In the same way also the cup, after supper, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood. Do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of me.” For as often as you eat this bread and drink the cup, you proclaim the death of the Lord until he comes.
Lk 22:19
“This is my body, which will be given for you; do this in memory of me.”
Catholic Christians also believe that there is only one sacrifice, Jesus’, but following the command “as often as” to proclaim the death of the Lord, the sacrifice of Christ is made physically present to every Christian in all places in every age. The Eucharist makes the atemporal aphysical actions of Christ’s redeeming action truly present to us always and everywhere. This is incarnational.
Following the word of God, Catholics also know that Christ is not and cannot be resacrificed. This has never been the teaching of the Catholic Church.
Heb 10:12
But this one (Jesus) offered one sacrifice for sins ...
Heb 7:27
He has no need, as did the high priests, to offer sacrifice day after day, first for his own sins and then for those of the people; he did that once for all when he offered himself.
Heb 9:25-28
Not that he might offer himself repeatedly ... But now once for all he has appeared at the end of the ages to take away sin by his sacrifice. ... Christ, offered once to take away the sins of many ...
The constant faith of the Church from the Apostolic Fathers attests to the fact that the Mass was the one Sacrifice of Calvary made present to the faithful.
Cyprian (Carthage, 200-258), Letters, No 63:9 (To Caecilian)
In which portion we find that the cup which the Lord offered was mixed, and that that was wine He called His Blood. Whence it appears that the blood of Christ is not offered if there be no wine in the cup, nor the Lord’s sacrifice celebrated with a legitimate consecration unless our oblation and sacrifice respond to His passion.
The 1994 Catechism of the Catholic Church makes this statement explicitly.
Catechism Section 1085
In the Liturgy of the Church, it is principally his own Paschal mystery that Christ signifies and makes present. During his earthly life Jesus announced his Paschal mystery by his teachings and anticipated it by his actions. When his Hour comes, he lives out the unique event of history which does not pass away: Jesus dies, is buried, rises from the dead, and is seated at the right hand of the Father “once for all.” His Paschal mystery is a real event that occurred in our history, but it is unique: all other historical events happen once, and then they pass away, swallowed up in the past. The Paschal mystery of Christ, by contrast, cannot remain only in the past, because by his death he destroyed death, and all that Christ is — all that he did and suffered for all people — participates in the divine eternity, and so transcends all times while being made present in them all. The event of the Cross and Resurrection abides and draws everything toward life.
Catechism Section 1104
Christian liturgy not only recalls the events that saved us but actualizes them, makes them present. The Paschal mystery of Christ is celebrated, not repeated. It is the celebrations that are repeated, and in each celebration there is an outpouring of the Holy Spirit that makes the unique mystery present.
posted from the Catholic Biblical Apologetics website
there you have it, another “untruth” that the “ Catholic Church pretend dies Christ wholly and completely every time a Mass is given.
but God uses the “untruth” to allow me to post the truth about the Eucharist that Christians have believed for 2,000 years to all the unbelievers here.
truly God works for good with those that love Him and are called to His purpose.
i am happy you posted these verses from Hebrews, the Church accepted Hebrews as canonical ( even though no one is sure who the human author is ) because the book matches the Catholic Faith received from the Apostles perfectly.
but you as a former Catholic already knew that the Church teaches died only ONCE, right??
Now, WHERE does His blood come from? His blood was poured out at Calvary. There IS no more blood for the wine to be turned into...Thomas could have told you that.
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