The Errors of Martin Luther's German Bible

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[Mr Rogers]

Agreed.

I found the survey was done in 1550, of what were then Anglican priests, although they reverted to Catholic priests when Mary took the throne - unless they had married, in which case they were thrown out.

The Anglican Bishop who did the survey pushed for better education, but was himself executed by Mary in her attempt to make England Catholic again - which it largely still was, in the countryside.

FWIW, I’d rather have an uneducated priest with a sincere heart, than an educated one with a lot of pride. That goes for Baptist pastors, too. One of the finest Baptist pastors I’ve met had a high school education, but a heart for God.

[Natural Law]

"FWIW, I’d rather have an uneducated priest with a sincere heart,"

Me too, but what an extraordinary joy it is to find an incredibly intelligent and well educated man of God with the heart of a child. FWIW - Many of the Baptists I have known have had that kind and sincere heart. They have embraced the Beatitudes better than a lot of Catholics I know.

[Just mythoughts]

i am always amazed of how easily some are swayed by the latest fad in theology. Christians have always believed Jesus rose on the first day of the week, this is why we worship on Sunday and not Saturday. i have to laugh, you say i can’t count very well ( don’t tell the state of NJ, they issued me a license to practice as a CPA! )but then you conclude Jesus rose on saturday, the same day i stated you must conclude in the post! even if you discount Mark 16:9 as not Scripture, if Mark did not pen this verse someone did late 1st century when many believers who personally spoke to the Apostles were still alive. all agree, Jesus rose on Sunday! but Paul tells us definitively what day Jesus rose. let’s turn to 1 Corinthians 15:20 “but in fact Christ has been raised from the dead, the FIRST FRUITS of those who have fallen asleep” again in verse 23 we read “Christ THE FIRST FRUITS” now, you may not be familiar with the Jewish Feast of First Fruits, but if you look it up, it is always celebrated the day AFTER the Sabbath, i.e. SUNDAY. the feast signifies the start of the harvest, which is a perfect figure for Jesus starting to begin the harvest of souls after paying the penalty for sin and opening the gates of heaven. once someone realizes how days were counted back then, Jesus statement about the sign of Jonah is absolutely consistent with dying on Friday and rising on Sunday. this Wednesday nonsense is just another attack on the Church and it’s teaching authority. why do i always bring up the Eucharist? because it is a central tenant of Christianity, so much so, that Jesus personally taught the Apostle Paul it’s meaning. it is also the hallmark of the Christian Church, central to the worship of the One true God from the Apostles to today. Luther actually believed in the Real Presence, so kudos to him. now, i am waiting for a repsonse to my post yesterday about the canon of Scripture and who can infallibly set the canon? how can someone claim “sola scriptura” and then not defend how the “scriptura” can be believed to be the word of GOd and how do we KNOW we have the proper “scriptura”?

Scripture does NOT argue against the tomb being open and Christ no longer inside the formerly closed, guarded tomb on the first day of the week. The labeling of this first day of the week as 'Sunday' came long after.

The complete and total disregard with the WORDS of Christ Himself regarding the ONLY 'sign' He gave the Roman appointed religious authorities was that of Jonah, is what is at issue. Passover is always 14 days after the spring equinox and in that particular time would have began at sunset on the third day of the week or Tuesday night after sunset. The next day, the 4th day of the week would have been Passover Day, wherein Christ was betrayed and stood trial and sacrificed. The following day the 5th, or Thursday would have been a 'high' Sabbath or the first day of the days of unleavened bread. The law would have required that Christ be in the tomb before the sun set on the 4th day or Wednesday because at sunset would begin that 'high' sabbath. So from Wednesday sunset to Saturday sunset Christ was in a guarded closed tomb. The same authority given to the religious leaders in Christ time out of Rome sure has changed little. It is beyond ridiculous given how precise the appointed time of the Passover was to be remembered since the first Passover in Egypt has NOT changed or the days of leavened bread devolved into one day's time.

Once again each new day began at sunset and ended at the following sunset. There is NO room for debate with what God Himself established long before Christ became our Passover.

[one Lord one faith one baptism]

1. what do you do with Mark 16:9?

2. what do you do with Paul specifically calling Christ “the first fruits”, which Christians have always understood to mean the Jewish feast of first fruits was a type or figure of the harvest which began with the Resurrection of Jesus? this feast was always celebrated on the first day of the week?

3. what do you do with the fact that the Christian Church from the time of the Apostles worshipped on the first day of the week because it is the day Jesus rose from the dead?

4. just curious, if you don’t mind sharing, what is your denomination or faith tradition?

[smvoice]

Mat. 12:40. Christ was dead for 3 full days and for 3 full nights. He was put into the grave Wednesday just before the sunset and was resurrected at the end of Saturday at sunset. Actually Good Friday should be changed to Good Wednesday. There is NO statement that says that He was buried Friday at sunset. This would make Him in the grave only one day and one night, proving His own words untrue. (Mat.12:40).

Also see John 19:31. The sabbath of John 19:31 was not the regular weekly one, but the special sabbath of the feast. ("For that sabbath day was an high day"). A special sabbath of the feast, not the ordinary weekly sabbath, which was two days later. (Lev. 23:6-11).

[one Lord one faith one baptism]

Christians believe Paul that Christ is the first fruits. please study this Jewish feast day to see when it was celebrated.
Jesus rose on the third day, which we know was the first day of the week.
Sunday = day three
Saturday = day two
Friday = day one
in first century israel, any part of a day was considered a day and night.
we know from the unanimous testimony of all the Church Fathers that Jesus was raised from the dead on the feast of first fruits, the first day of the week.

[smvoice]

Let's take this one small step at a time. First the "three days and three nights".

When days and nights are BOTH mentioned, then it CANNOT be PARTS of three days, but FULL days and nights. See Esther 4:16 with 5:1; 1 Sam. 30:12 with 13; Jonah 1:17 with Mt. 12:40. See also Rev. 11:9-11. Then get back to me.

[one Lord one faith one baptism]

Luke tells us the Church gathered for worship on the first day of the week ( Acts 20:7 )
Paul confirms this in 1 Corinthians 16:2.

Christians know this is because the first day of the week is when Jesus was raised from the dead.
Christians also know that Christ is the “first fruits” of those who have fallen asleep. Paul directly ties the resurrection of Christ with the feast of first fruits, celebrated on the first day of the week. “Christ the first fruits”

the Apostolic tradition in the Universal Church is the final nail in the coffin. every ECF flatly states Jesus rose from the dead on the first day. they all were well acquainted with Matthew 12, but they were also well acquainted with how days were counted.

[boatbums]

I want to add that the translation of the Bible in the vernacular of the common people did not really require that everyone had to be literate. The very fact that those who could read shared them with the unlearned and they certainly could hear and understand what they heard without having to know how to read. This was in stark contrast to the Roman Catholic Church who, however infrequently quoted Scripture during the Mass, did so in Latin and subsequently "interpreted" what they read into the language of the people. People had to "take them at their word" that what they were told it said was really what it said. Of course, after they could read or hear the Scripture in their native tongue, did they start realizing that "catholic" teaching wasn't as orthodox as they said it was.

[smvoice]

Did you read the Scriptures I gave you? Rev. 11:9-11 is particularly interesting. God knows the difference between Full days and Half a day.

[Natural Law]

"This was in stark contrast to the Roman Catholic Church who, however infrequently quoted Scripture during the Mass, did so in Latin and subsequently "interpreted" what they read into the language of the people."

This is a fallacy propagated by those who think that a Catholic Mass is for "preachin'" and not a worship ceremony and a celebration of the Eucharist.

[boatbums]

If you reread the post, MrRogers didn't say the 30 priests didn't "know" the Lord's Prayer, the Pater Noster, but that they did not know that Jesus first spoke it.

[one Lord one faith one baptism]

Jesus tells us how to count days in Luke 13:32
“and he said to them, behold i cast out demons and perform cures today and tomorrow and the third day i finish my course”

could it be any plainer to calculate the third day?

today = friday
tomorrow = saturday
the third day = sunday

Jesus leaves no doubt what the Biblical way is to count days.

[one Lord one faith one baptism]

read Luke 13:32, when is the third day according to Jesus?

[rzman21]

“That is the trouble with the gospel. It’s too simple.”

If that’s true why you have the 1,000s of competing Protestant interpretations of the Gospel?

[rzman21]

The Mass is only one part of Catholic worship. The Liturgy of the Hours/Breviary is 90 percent scripture.

All 150 Psalms are read, as are whole sections of scripture.

[rzman21]

What do you call the Psalms?

[boatbums]

You will just have to continue to be amazed then, because Scripture clearly says the tomb was empty when the women came to anoint Jesus' body before dawn on the first day of the week - Sunday. That sure sounds like he arose before the dawning of Sunday which would have put it still on the Sabbath. Of course, Christians met and worshipped together on the first day of the week after that but it hardly means he didn't rise until Sunday. Your math is messed up if you think Friday evening to Saturday evening (before Sunday's dawning) equals three days and nights. Believe what you want, just don't try to demand everyone has to also obey faulty theology.

As to your waiting for my answer about who "sets" the canon, I already DID answer that. Perhaps in your haste you forgot to read it through. Just click on the link I provided to read the whole article by Warfield.

[rzman21]

So if you read the infallible Bible fallibly, how can you be so certain you are interpreting the right scriptures properly?

It’s just your word against the next person’s.

[one Lord one faith one baptism]

if Jesus died on Wednesday, why did the women wait until Sunday to treat the body? why not go Thursday to avoid the stink?