The Errors of Martin Luther's German Bible

http://www.cogwriter.com/luther.htm ^

[Mr Rogers]

“More than 2,000 errors enumerated in Tyndale’s book”

Find them.

Tyndale himself revised his first translation, and ANY translation can be criticized on a verse here or there. But the vast majority of Tyndale’s work is now the KJV, and the KJV was the basis for the modern DR - except both the KJV & the DR deliberately mistranslated passages that Tyndale got right, so as to support their respective church theologies.

Here is a hint: Does “repent” mean “Do penance”? Was the riot in Acts a church gathering? Is an elder a Bishop?

[one Lord one faith one baptism]

what did Jesus call it? He called it His Body. And it is such an important doctrine for Christians, that Jesus personally instructed Paul, who in 1 Corinthians called it the Body of Christ. Christians have believed this for 2,000 years. that some rejected it in the 16th century doesn’t affect Christian belief at all.

[rzman21]

Languages change. And besides the Greek word episkopos has always been used by the Greek Church to mean bishop.

I’d say the Greek Orthodox know a bit more about reading Greek than you or any Baptist does.

[one Lord one faith one baptism]

i have to turn in ( after midnight ), i guess i will not be getting my lesson in church history tonight about the groups that rejected Catholic doctrine from the beginning.

i suspect these groups won’t be named since they weren’t Christian.

big suprise!!

[Mr Rogers]

After blessing the wine, he called it “this fruit of the vine”.

Paul talks of the bread as “bread”.

“A literal textual reading of scripture without taking the text’s historical, cultural, and textual background fails to understand its deeper meaning.”

So...explain the historical, cultural and textual background that turns the Baptism of the Holy Spirit - what Jesus does - into water baptism.

What is the context that turns Paul’s rebuke of Peter and his teaching into Peter having authority over Paul?

[Mr Rogers]

Yeah...what do Jesus and Paul and John matter, if one has the Pope?

[boatbums]

Let the following books be esteemed venerable and holy by all of you, both clergy and laity. Of the Old Testament: the five books of Moses, Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy; one of Joshua the son of Nun; one of the Judges; one of Ruth; four of the Kings; 1 two of Paralipomena (the books of Chronicles); two of Ezra; 2 one of Esther; [one of Judith;] 3 three of the Maccabees; one of Job; the one hundred and fifty Psalms; three books of Solomon: Proverbs, Ecclesiastes, Song of Songs; the sixteen of the Prophets. And see that those newly come to discipleship become acquainted with the Wisdom of the learned Sirach. 4 And ours, that is, of the New Testament, are the four Gospels, of Matthew, Mark, Luke, John; the fourteen epistles of Paul; two epistles of Peter; three of John; one of James; one of Jude; two epistles of Clement; and the Constitutions dedicated to you, the bishops, by me, Clement, in eight books, which it is not appropriate to make public before all, because of the mysteries contained in them; and the Acts of us, the Apostles.

So, according to this source, Clement considered HIS epistles as part of Holy Scripture, too? Does saying they were to be considered "esteemed venerable and holy" imply that they were also to be all part of the canon of Scripture, The Bible?

[Mr Rogers]

“I’d say the Greek Orthodox know a bit more about reading Greek than you or any Baptist does.”

I’d say the Greek Orthodox church brings its beliefs to the text, rather than going to the text to find its beliefs.

[one Lord one faith one baptism]

King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not the communion of the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not the communion of the body of Christ?

1 Corinthians 10:16

the Baptism of the Holy Spirit is so called “water baptism”
read Ephesians, there is only ONE baptism.

how can anybody believe the Holy Spirit did not lead Christians into understanding Baptism for 16 centuries??

really???

[rzman21]

Actually, they were read as scripture, but the consensus proved against them.

[rzman21]

Actually, it was read as scripture, but the consensus proved against it.

The ancient Ethiopian Church, which separated from Rome in 451 AD still reads them as part of their Bible.

[one Lord one faith one baptism]

the epistle from Clement to the Corinthians was read in the Corinthian Church as Scripture for over 100 years.

why was a letter from the Bishop of Rome late in the first century considered binding on the Corinthians?

hmmmm.......

[rzman21]

Aren’t you doing that?

[patlin]

There is One God and One Holy Spirit

Exactly

Exodus 12:49 The same teaching is to apply equally to the citizen and to the foreigner living among you.” 50 All the people of Isra’el did just as ADONAI had ordered Moshe and Aharon. 51 On that very day, ADONAI brought the people of Isra’el out of the land of Egypt by their divisions

so there can’t be 10s of thousands of correct conflicting interpretations of the Bible

yet globally, there are over 38,000 denominations under the umbrella of Christianity, why is that?

doctrine of man that disregards the doctrine of the ‘Alef-Tav’ that has been since the beginning

Prov 4:1 Listen, children, to a father's instruction; pay attention, in order to gain insight; 2 for I am giving you good advice; so don't abandon my teaching

John 5:45 “But don't think that it is I who will be your accuser before the Father. Do you know who will accuse you? Moshe, the very one you have counted on! 46 For if you really believed Moshe, you would believe me; because it was about me that he wrote. 47 But if you don't believe what he wrote, how are you going to believe what I say?”

John 7:16 So Yeshua gave them an answer: “My teaching is not my own, it comes from the One who sent me”

[rzman21]

Great way to beg the question. So the Greek Orthodox bring their beliefs to the texts and Baptists don’t?

How convenient.

[rzman21]

One man, Martin Luther.

Judaism hasn’t fared much better. Just look at all of the competing sects.

I might add that the Ethiopian Jews have a different canon of the Tanakh than other Jews do.
http://www.columbia.edu/cu/augustine/arch/sbrandt/canon.htm

[patlin]

so you believe words purposely left out of translation by Christendom is of no consequence?

[Mr Rogers]

There IS only one baptism that saves - the baptism of Jesus.

Does Jesus baptize with water, or with the Holy Spirit?

And what did Paul say?

“1 O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? It was before your eyes that Jesus Christ was publicly portrayed as crucified. 2Let me ask you only this: Did you receive the Spirit by works of the law or by hearing with faith? 3Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh?”

There is only one baptism that matters, and it is the baptism of the Holy Spirit. The water baptism signifies it in public.

And here is a bit more of the quote from 1 Cor:

“16 The cup of blessing that we bless, is it not a participation in the blood of Christ? The bread that we break, is it not a participation in the body of Christ? 17Because there is one bread, we who are many are one body, for we all partake of the one bread.”

Is the blessed bread the flesh of Jesus, or is it “bread”?

And is Jesus being continually sacrificed?

“11And every priest stands daily at his service, offering repeatedly the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins. 12But when Christ had offered for all time a single sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God, 13waiting from that time until his enemies should be made a footstool for his feet. 14For by a single offering he has perfected for all time those who are being sanctified.”

Is Jesus Christ still on the alter, a never-ending sacrifice?

“But when Christ had offered for all time a single sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God, waiting from that time until his enemies should be made a footstool for his feet. For by a single offering he has perfected for all time those who are being sanctified.”

[patlin]

Judaism hasn’t fared much better. Just look at all of the competing sects. I might add that the Ethiopian Jews have a different canon of the Tanakh than other Jews do

It's called the Talmud, not Tanakh. Talmud is the oral law that was added to the Torah that Yah’shua rebuked. It was these ordinances that were nailed to the cross, not the instructions of YHVH and it is these oral additions to Torah that they still regard as having the same if not higher authority over the Torah & Prophets.

[boatbums]

My point is the catholic church didn't invent the Bible as I hear so many catholics claim. The Holy Spirit was alive and well and inspiring scripture well before a pope came on the scene.

You have made a very correct point! I think our FRiends of the Roman Catholic variety demand that everyone accept "their" version of history and, for many centuries, they controlled what was allowed to be told and preserved about history. Luckily for all, they could not do so completely, God had other plans. One thing I find quite interesting and would like to hear the explanation for is, if the Roman Catholic Church "wrote" the Bible, then why are there such little to no texts verifying most of their dogmas? For example, Mary. Now, I'm not "picking" on her, but to make certain doctrines about her de fide, or "of the faith" and mandating belief in them under penalty of excommunication, you have to wonder why:

The doctrine of Mary being born sinless is NO WHERE even remotely mentioned in the Bible. Nothing about her parents amazement of how different she was from all the other kids, no friends speaking of her inhuman quality of perfectly pious holiness and no mention of anybody commenting on what HAD to have been a very noticeable condition.

No mention AT ALL of her death and assumption bodily into Heaven. Jesus had put her in the care of the Apostle John and he lived to an old age, dying a natural death. In all his writings included in the Bible, not once did he mention Mary - the mother of Jesus - other than a few times in the Gospel of John and nothing after Jesus ascended into Heaven. I highly doubt Mary outlived him, so why is there no mention of a miraculous assumption?

Then there's Purgatory. Nothing specific AT ALL in the Bible about a place that EVERYONE is supposed to go to who is saved before they go to Heaven. The only ones who go directly to Heaven without a stop in Purgatory are those who are "super" pious and holy. The word is not even in the Bible. How come?

I could go on - and there ARE many other examples, but the point seems simple enough. The Roman Catholic Church, you are right, did NOT write the Bible, the Apostles made sure the Divinely-inspired writings were disbursed throughout the Christian churches and they confirmed what were or were not to be held as from God to establish the doctrines of the Christian faith and that held to the truths God had revealed through them.

One final thing, it was GOD who preserved the Bible. He used specially chosen vessels to whom he gave the truths, he ensured those teachings were enscripturated and he made sure those very SAME writings are STILL available to us two thousand years later. The establishment of a canon of Scripture, the recognition of what is part of the Bible, was not what made those books Scripture. God did. The Bible didn't become God-inspired Holy Scripture only when the Catholic Church decided it was, no, it was Scripture and the truth from God, all they did - and they were not the first nor only ones - was "officially" recognize them. Heaven and Earth will pass away, but God's word will never pass away!