Posted on 09/09/2011 4:27:39 PM PDT by NYer
Ping!
“On what conditions?” Fellay asked himself, “the way I see it, there must be certain conditions.”
Obedience, Fellay, is a virtue.
If you are willing to accept papal authority in rescinding the excommunication, than you must also accept the Councils. That’s the only way this works.
Stay strong with the great Tradition of the Latin Mass!
How do we what is true and what is not in this piece? Havent we all figured out that there are people on both “sides” who want to see the division continue? Was it on SSPX website?
Deserves repeating:
“Obedience, Fellay, is a virtue.
If you are willing to accept papal authority in rescinding the excommunication, than you must also accept the Councils. That’s the only way this works.”
A common attribute of all the great saints was their OBEDIENCE to the Church. They obeyed and placed their TRUST in God.
You’re right, of course. All those who believe in VII teachings are in error, including the Pope Paul VI through the present Pope, who all acknowledged the validity of VII. It’s up to “traditional Catholics” like yourself to put on your papal hats and decide what is really Catholic.
Very good. Vatican II was not in error. The aftermath, coupled with the free love / free drug / free Marxist 1960's was. This Pope appears to be putting the screws to the USCCB and getting it back into the traces. We shall have the new/old liturgy and the eventual preponderance of TLM. God has given us better than we deserve in BXVI and we pray that his eventual successor be even more in accord with Him (although I was pulling for him, I never expected him to be so great - just imagine if our next Pope is even greater).
“How so? Holding fast to Traditional Catholicism is to be Catholic, no?”
Traditional Catholicism isn’t sedevacantist.
“I never expected him to be so great - just imagine if our next Pope is even greater).”
I knew that when the enemy was calling him the Panzerkardinel that we had a good one. :)
I love that knickname, I find it so fitting to him. He’s a warrior.
“Traditional Catholicism isn’t sedevacantist.”
You are right. Neither is the SSPX.
Yawn. Your strawman arguments are boring.
Regarding the "strawman", I don't see it.I understand. Blindness happens. Sad.
Here is an example for you:
You, pope Narses, have decided that you will determine which teachings are valid and which are not. You apparently know better than the Magisterium who formulated said teachings. Revel in your power!Yawn. More boring strawmen.
A common attribute of all the great saints was their OBEDIENCE to the Church. They obeyed and placed their TRUST in God.Well, not all. St. Athanasius
In 355 a council was held at Milan, where in spite of the vigorous opposition of a handful of loyal prelates among the Western bishops, a fourth condemnation of Athanasius was announced to the world. With his friends scattered, the saintly Hosius in exile, the Pope Liberius denounced as acquiescing in Arian formularies, Athanasius could hardly hope to escape. On the night of 8 February, 356, while engaged in services in the Church of St. Thomas, a band of armed men burst in to secure his arrest (Apol. de Fuga, 24). It was the beginning of his third exile.Far from obedient, Athanasius fled into exile, again. Obedience to the TRUTH is always essential. Obedience to men who are fallible is not. Ask St. Joan of Arc.
I am accused here of holding myself out as Pope. Sedevecantism is also being flung about. (An odd contradiction, for if I am claiming to be Pope - and I am not, how is the Chair Vacant?)
I solicit your comments, corrections and charitable admonitions here, if you are so inclined.
“pope Narses” is not a “strawman”. It is sarcasm. Perhaps my sarcasm hurt your feelings. If so, I again apologize.
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