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My Faith: Rep. Keith Ellison (D-MN), from Catholic to Muslim
CNN ^ | 9/1/11 | Chris Welch

Posted on 09/02/2011 9:07:47 AM PDT by marshmallow

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To: OpusatFR; stfassisi

I am beginning to think the same thing.


2,141 posted on 09/08/2011 7:09:34 PM PDT by Jvette
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To: smvoice

“I probably am not that smart, Natural Law. I’m so dumb that I refuse to defend the indefensible. I’m so stoopid that I believe God’s word to be the final authority. I’m so ignorant that I will take no man’s word over God’s Scripture. I’m so without brain matter that I search the Scriptures, not the Catechism to see if these things are so. It’s a real shame I’m not smart like you, depending on a building for my salvation and praying to Michael the Archangel to destroy my enemies. To have your braincells, what I wouldn’t give. And I do mean that. I wouldn’t give.”

For God so loved the world He sent a book.


2,142 posted on 09/08/2011 7:09:41 PM PDT by Not gonna take it anymore
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To: CynicalBear
Good find, CB! The link I posted also mentioned that a generation from this time could conceivably be 90 years rather than the threescore and ten (70) from OT times. Still, the basic argument, which has probably been totally forgotten by now, was that the time between the ascension of Jesus and the writing of the first books of the NT was REALLY only a few decades or so and NOT 70 or 90 or 150 years later when all the eye-witnesses would have been long buried.
2,143 posted on 09/08/2011 7:09:41 PM PDT by boatbums ( God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: Iscool; MarkBsnr

Play by your own rules, prove it.


2,144 posted on 09/08/2011 7:21:10 PM PDT by Jvette
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To: Mad Dawg
Sorry it took so long to get back to you, but I've been studying this particular verse. And thinking long and hard about it. This probably will be a little here and a little there, but sometimes Scriptures just go here and there.

First let's look at Christ's promise to the twelve in Matt. 19:28. He promised them they would occupy twelve thrones with Him in the kingdom, and what Peter saw and heard in the holy mount concerned the GLORY which he himself was to share at the reign of Christ.

What Paul saw and heard, however, concerned the Lord's SUFFERING-and his own. Christ said to Ananias concerning Saul "I will show him how great things he must SUFFER for My name's sake" (Acts 9:16). The Risen Christ was, in grace, to remain in exile, rejected by Israel and the world, but Paul, the CHIEF sinner saved by that grace, was to bear the suffering and the rejection on earth.

"I now rejoice in my SUFFERINGS for you, and FILL UP THAT WHICH IS BEHIND OF THE AFFLICTIONS OF CHRIST in my flesh, for His body's sake, which is the church." Col. 1:24.

The question is, in what sense did Paul fill up that which remained fo the afflictions of Christ? He could add nothing to the finished work of redemption. So what was it? Christ's vicarious suffering for sin was over, but He was STILL REJECTED, IN EXILE, and in grace He chose to remain so for a time (This time of the dispensation of the grace of God) rather than let the Wrath of God fall and immediately judge His enemies.

Putting aside the day of His wrath, He saves Saul, His chief ENEMY, and sends him forth to proclaim GRACE and PEACE to His enemies everywhere. Wow, suddenly the great persecutor now becomes the persecuted one, bearing the afflictions of Christ's continued rejection. And as long as Christ's grace is extended to a rejecting world, we, the members of the Body of Christ follow the sufferings and afflictions, just as Paul.

Paul was called to preach Christ in a Christ-rejecting world and to suffer for it. He was chosen to fill up that which still remained of the sufferings of the rejected Christ-and so are we. Christ is still rejected and still remains away and we bear, or should bear, in our flesh the sufferings of His rejection.

We are in a world at enmity with God and will suffer for the gospel. "For unto you it is given in the BEHALF OF CHRIST, not ONLY to believe on Him, But also to SUFFER for His sake. Having the same conflict which ye saw in me, and now hear in me." (Phil. 1:29,30). To stand for Christ is to suffer at the hands of an unbelieving world. We share in His sufferings this way.

I know I've probably repeated myself a couple of times, but trying to get the core truth is sometimes difficult. :)

2,145 posted on 09/08/2011 7:21:40 PM PDT by smvoice (The Cross was NOT God's Plan B.)
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To: CynicalBear; Iscool; MarkBsnr
"Wait, weren’t you the guys who burned people at the stake if they didn’t agree with the RCC?"

Actually that was Calvin who said; "Build a man a fire and you warm him for a day, but light a man on fire an you warm him for the rest of his life."

2,146 posted on 09/08/2011 7:22:22 PM PDT by Natural Law (For God so loved the world He did not send a book.)
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To: UriÂ’el-2012
"The Roman Pontiff Constantine called and managed the council at Nicaea."

LOL - Did he use his iPhone since since Alexander Graham Bell would not be born for another 1500 years.

"Nicaea is a suburb of Constantinople."

Geez, you have sad some stupid things before but this one takes the cake. It is 120 miles from Istanbul (Constantinople) to Iznik (Nicea). Even today that is hardly a "suburb". We can only conclude that everything you post has equal credibility.

2,147 posted on 09/08/2011 7:29:59 PM PDT by Natural Law (For God so loved the world He did not send a book.)
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To: Natural Law
>>Actually that was Calvin who said; "Build a man a fire and you warm him for a day, but light a man on fire an you warm him for the rest of his life."<<

Yep, I can’t understand why anyone would hold that scum bag up as someone to follow. I suppose he learned that during his days as a Catholic.

2,148 posted on 09/08/2011 7:30:20 PM PDT by CynicalBear
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To: CynicalBear
"BTW Have you ever found the scriptural proof of the assumption of Mary?"

Its right there between Sola Scriptura and the Trinity.

2,149 posted on 09/08/2011 7:32:00 PM PDT by Natural Law (For God so loved the world He did not send a book.)
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To: Natural Law
It is 120 miles from Istanbul (Constantinople) to Iznik (Nicea).

My Google Earth says less than 50 miles

2,150 posted on 09/08/2011 7:47:20 PM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: Natural Law; Mad Dawg

Post 2147: A really great example of suffering for Christ.


2,151 posted on 09/08/2011 7:47:27 PM PDT by smvoice (The Cross was NOT God's Plan B.)
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To: UriÂ’el-2012

Post 2151 is for you, too! Primarily for you...:)


2,152 posted on 09/08/2011 7:50:06 PM PDT by smvoice (The Cross was NOT God's Plan B.)
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To: OLD REGGIE

Show me by your example how to live that scripture, Reggie. Because I have a feeling you aren’t much farther along than I am, and therefore, you have no right to tell me I have a lot of work to do.

And calling me “Sweet Judith” is making mockery personal. Against the rules.


2,153 posted on 09/08/2011 7:57:14 PM PDT by Judith Anne ( Holy Mary, Mother of God, please pray for us sinners now, and at the hour of our death.)
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To: UriÂ’el-2012
"My Google Earth says less than 50 miles"

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Negatory. I've been there. It's about just under 200 km and about 3 1/2 hours from Istanbul by car.

Even so, how many days journey do you think 50 miles or 120 miles was in the 4th century?

2,154 posted on 09/08/2011 7:58:10 PM PDT by Natural Law (For God so loved the world He did not send a book.)
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To: Natural Law
Sola Scriptura? Of course there is scripture to point to to show that scripture is to be the standard by which we test the doctrines and words of men.

"All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: that the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto good works." 2 Timothy 3:16-17

Did you notice the words “perfect” and “thoroughly”?

Then we have the example of the those in Berea that Luke wrote about in Acts. Even after Paul and Silas had spoken to them they still “searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so”. An example that all teaching needs to be compared to scripture. That’s what Sola Scriptura means. Surely you weren’t talking about Solo Scriptura are you?

Acts 17:11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.

Then there is this.

I Corinthians 4:6 “Now these things, brethren, I have in a figure transferred to myself and Apollos for your sakes; that in us you might learn not to go beyond the things which are written; that no one of you be puffed up for the one against the other.”

And the Trinity?

We covered that rather extensively earlier in this thread. You need to keep up.

Now, how about the scriptural authority for the bodily assumption of Mary? Surely by challenging me you have something prepared to show scripture proof for that right?

2,155 posted on 09/08/2011 8:12:47 PM PDT by CynicalBear
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To: OpusatFR; Alamo-Girl; metmom; marbren; Iscool; RnMomof7; Dr. Eckleburg

***NO*** PRODDY on FR

is comparing the authentic Mary to anything else.

We do talk about the caricature’d personage the

Vatican headquartered Ishtar-Mary-Goddess cult has concocted out of Mary’s name and personage . . . reportedly greatly to the authentic Mary’s anguished dismay.

CLAIMING OTHERWISE IS COMMITTING THE SAME ‘EVIL’ THAT RC’S ACCUSE PRODDYS OF When we say RC’s do XYZ and RC’s insist otherwise.

YOU CAN’T HAVE IT BOTH WAYS, FOLKS.


2,156 posted on 09/08/2011 8:12:59 PM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: OLD REGGIE

ABSOLUTELY INDEED.

And what is all the noise about “Quix’s group!”

There’s no Quix’s group that Quix is aware of. I can’t think of anyone on my small or larger ping lists that agrees with me right down the line on very much. Many share some central themes in a looser or not as loose way. That’s quite a bit different!

Sheesh what idiocy . . . or deliberately obtuse skullduggery.


2,157 posted on 09/08/2011 8:13:09 PM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: metmom

INDEED.


2,158 posted on 09/08/2011 8:13:49 PM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Natural Law; Alamo-Girl; Amityschild; firebrand; GiovannaNicoletta; Lera; marbren; navygal; ...
Mary is referred to frequently as Ishtar by some of the cretins who prowl these threads pretending to be Christian

GIVEN that I'm the ONLY one who does that, thanks for calling me a cretin. It only adds to my Heavenly rewards.

2,159 posted on 09/08/2011 8:13:59 PM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: smvoice

1. God’s name. (Rom. 2:24, Isa. 52:5)

2. God, Himself. (Isa. 65:7; Ezek. 20:27; Rev. 16:9-11,21; Mt. 12:31,32)

3. The doctrine of God. (I Tim. 6:1).

4. The word of God. (Titus 2:5).

Unless Mary has been made part of the Godhead, comparing her to anything is not blaspheming God.


ABSOLUTELY INDEED.


2,160 posted on 09/08/2011 8:14:05 PM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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