Posted on 08/18/2011 7:18:16 AM PDT by marshmallow
Sorry, Quix, there is a huge difference between someone’s theology being pristine and someone saying that Jesus death on the cross wasn’t sufficient, that He had to burn in hell for three days to complete redemption.
Jesus said, on the cross, “It is finished”
That stand of his alone is enough to DQ him in my book.
Your’s is a Perfectly Reasonable perspective.
And, it may be that time will show that I’ve extended more Grace about such things than God would/does.
I just know that I need lots of Grace and am happy to extend it.
And I know that if I had to have 100% of my pontifications scrutinized 24/7/365 by even the herd of naysayers on FR, I’d never survive intact—if they had any say about it.
Sooner or later, all of us say some outright stupid, dumb, outrageous things. And, the more thick-headed, arrogant of us can do so fairly persistently for a long time before the heavenly 4 X 4 hits us upside the head and wakes us up.
One of my best pastors ever once wrote a book about babies in hell—because of unsaved parents. The AoG leaders made him retract it but he hasn’t changed his opinions. He just doesn’t teach it. I think he’s off the wall about it.
But he has a good heart toward God and man and the vast bulk of his theology is quite Biblical.
Thankfully, God knows how to sort all that out.
Thankfully, it’s above my pay grade.
Thankfully, God looks on the heart. For some, that’s a blessing, for others, a curse.
Seems to me that Hagin’s heart was persistently toward God and man . . . much more so than the hearts of many of his detractors.
The verse has nothing to do with temporal power given to the church! Those who believe in JESUS love Him more than family. Non Christians hate the Gospel, they think it foolishness.
John 17:14 I have given them your word, and the world has hated them because they are not of the world, just as I am not of the world. 15 I do not ask that you take them out of the world, but that you keep them from the evil one. 16 They are not of the world, just as I am not of the world. 17 Sanctify them in the truth; YOUR WORD IS TRUTH. 18 As you sent me into the world, so I have sent them into the world.
Non Christians do not KNOW the Gospel, they teach for truth the doctrines of men. Another Jesus, another spirit, another gospel. Which includes giving power and authority to an earthly organization. Why would it surprise anyone that they think it is foolishness to believe the simplicity that in Christ?
A rhetorical question if you wish but even if you say yes the brevity of time available to a person to implement even good ideas negates those efforts. And who knows what a successor will do?
While there have been a few excellent religious rulers, it is true that most theocrats fail at good governance. It is often because of the conflicts between temporal and Christian (or other religious - Calvinists in both the Old World and the New, as well as Islamic come to mind) demands - and the number is few that have been trained to bridge that gap, and even fewer who can.
Your point about BXVI's successor is well taken.
Which explains why I've never thought the Reformation was really a reforming as much as a struggle for power. As the fellow in The Patriot says about prefering one tyrant far away to having three hundred close at hand.(or something similar).
I see that we have similar thoughts about both subjects.
Cheers!
Make mine a Guinness!!!!
Doesn't say anything about Protestant rock star preachers, altar calls, tent revivals, handling snakes, the Pass the Loot Club, megachurches, or even the Sunday Day of the Lord. No doubt you repudiate all of these as well as the practice of meeting in roofed and air conditioned buildings wearing shirts and pants and shoes and socks. Let us know how that is working out for you.
By default I don’t trust a single televangelist, *miracles* notwithstanding.
Matthew 7:15-23
15 “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheeps clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves. 16You will recognize them by their fruits. Are grapes gathered from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17So, every healthy tree bears good fruit, but the diseased tree bears bad fruit. 18A healthy tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a diseased tree bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20Thus you will recognize them by their fruits.
21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ 23 And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’
I understand your perspective.
I TRY to avoid blackwashing any group based on simplistic terms and criteria.
I would not appreciate others doing it to me and I try to avoid doing it to others.
Your continuous maligning of the "Vatican Cult" is evidence that this statement is a complete confabulation.
Which word did you not understand?
I stand 100% behind the assertion:
“I TRY to avoid blackwashing any group based on simplistic terms and criteria.”
There is no 'try'. There is only 'do'. Or 'not do'.
You’re a woman with great discernment!
Soli De Gloria
Thanks. To me is seems like a no brainer.
Discernment is shockingly NOT possessed by a whole lot of Christians. As Oliver Wendell Holmes said, “We all need an education in the obvious.”
Yeah, reflecting on it, I’d have to say that you’re right.
I know a lot of well meaning Christians whose theology doesn’t exactly line up with Scripture and they seem singularly unaware of it.
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