I believe it is more properly called a compound.
I wonder if you become head compound goat that you get your own shopping cart...
Posted on 08/18/2011 7:18:16 AM PDT by marshmallow
Not sure what you mean by the Roman 'church'. However the Nicene Creed does admirably well in separating the Christian sheep from the Gnostic (and other) goats. Don't recall if you profess it or not.
And I humbly say thank you...
Accepting others' credit again?
I believe it is more properly called a compound.
I wonder if you become head compound goat that you get your own shopping cart...
No, that's Gnosticism.
One of the ways that it is not arrogance is that we do not think we are superior to anyone...
You may wish to reread this thread.
We are trying to get you to believe God so that you may have that assurance yourself...
The odd thing is that exactly none of your Scripture passages show assurance.
Of course they do...But our bible doesn't end with the Gospels...
No, they are relegated to an afterthought. Don't you remember telling us that Paul was the one to whom we must turn to learn about Christianity? Didn't you assure us that the Jesus and the Gospels and the 11 plus Matthias were to the Jews only?
Molest them not with the Nicene Creed. They have a better way...
Power and control is what being a ruler is all about. And property seizure and persecution of “unbelievers” was standard practice for Popes and potentates.
Sadly, it was quite common for a number of Popes. Not all of them measured up to the standards of Benedict XVI.
A rhetorical question if you wish but even if you say yes the brevity of time available to a person to implement even good ideas negates those efforts.
And who knows what a successor will do?
Which explains why I've never thought the Reformation was really a reforming as much as a struggle for power. As the fellow in “The Patriot” says about prefering one tyrant far away to having three hundred close at hand.(or something similar).
It was with those thoughts about the inevitable failure of human rulers in mind that I posted those threads about the Kingdom.
Cheers!
Interesting how the Nicene and Apostles creeds leave out Popes, Rome, “priests” remitting sin, etc...
Pius "the infallible" condemned, separation of church and state. Said the church had power to use force, could be the only religion of the state, comdemned free speech, must be Catholic to be saved, etc...
It's about temporal power or at least it used to be. Vatican II buffed off the rough edges. Many of the statements in the "syllabus" that were condemned are now ignored.
They also leave out the Reformation, Geneva, Worms, televangelists, and schisms. Anymore "keen" observations or synapse firings you would like to share with us? They are professions of faith, not administrative manuals.
"Interesting how the Nicene and Apostles creeds leave out Popes, Rome, “priests” remitting sin, etc..."This one seemed to be sort of a glaring omission.They also leave out the Reformation, Geneva, Worms, televangelists, and schisms. Anymore "keen" observations or synapse firings you would like to share with us? They are professions of faith, not administrative manuals.
"...Indeed we declare, say, pronounce, and define that it is altogether necessary to salvation for every human creature to be subject to the Roman Pontiff."
What was true in 1302 was still true in 1517. One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church........
Unam sanctam ecclesiam catholicam et ipsam apostolicam urgente fide credere cogimur et tenere, nosque hanc frmiter credimus et simpliciter confitemur, extra quam nec salus est, nec remissio peccatorum,
Translation: WE ARE COMPELLED, OUR FAITH URGING us, to believe and to hold—and we do firmly believe and simply confess—that there is one holy Catholic and Apostolic Church, outside of which there is neither salvation nor remission of sins.
If we let you "interpret" Catholic history for us we might as well read it from the editorial page of the New York Times or hear it from Ed Schultz. What was actually affirmed by Pius was:
"We are told by the word of the Gospel that in this His fold there are two swords—a spiritual, namely, and a temporal. […] Both swords, the spiritual and the material, therefore, are in the power of the Church; the one, indeed, to be wielded for the Church, the other by the Church; the one by the hand of the priest, the other by the hand of kings and knights, but at the will and sufferance of the priest."
When Pope Pius IX issued his encyclical Praedecessores Nostros condemning the English policies in famine stricken Ireland the British press went into full attack mode. You, dear Bkaycee are still dancing to their tune and eating their garbage.
I agree, God’s Word is reliable, but not Hagin or Copeland’s “Theology”.
These are guys are as big a fraudster as Benny Hinn, Creflo Dollar, et. al
Your experience over 63 years is made nill by the fact that you lack discernment.
1. It is impossible to flush the ESSENCE of Hagin and Copeland’s theologies without flushing significant Scriptures.
2. They are markedly better than a list of others.
3. No one’s theology is pristine.
4. Thanks for the personally worded assault on my discernment.
5. Eternity alone will tell the 10’s of thousands who were healed and brought into the Kingdom of God through Hagin and Copeland’s ministries.
6. God is well able to deal with their errors and excesses.
7. I do NOT discern evil intent, evil hearts in either one of them.
8. We’ll see who’s discernment ranked highest in eternity.
"We are told by the word of the Gospel that in this His fold there are two swords—a spiritual, namely, and a temporal. […] Both swords, the spiritual and the material, therefore, are in the power of the Church; the one, indeed, to be wielded for the Church, the other by the Church; the one by the hand of the priest, the other by the hand of kings and knights, but at the will and sufferance of the priest."Nonsense.
John 18:36 Jesus answered, "My kingdom is not of this world. If my kingdom were of this world, my servants would have been fighting, that I might not be delivered over to the Jews. But my kingdom is not from the world."
“Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword." - Matthew 10:34
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