Posted on 04/17/2011 2:58:04 PM PDT by greyfoxx39
Perhaps you should have the "boss" hang a huge disclaimer that says this is...."religion", because frankly, I have no idea what "forum" this is, I just post.
I guess that's because I'm a sinner like everyone else on this Earth, and not about to throw stones in a glass house. I'm sure you would probably regard me as a "lost soul", also. I drink, smoke cigars, have been known to dance, I play rock and roll in bands, curse on occasion, and have committed sins of a more personal nature that I'm not about to go into here. What right do I have to question the "sins" of others, when I've sinned plenty myself?
If not meddling in the lives and beliefs of others is a sin, well, I guess I'll have to answer for that one as well.
Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!
If we were perfect we would not need Jesus.
Fatal logical flaw right there.
Please explain how it is....
...that a religion like Mormonism...
...one that has out there right now 52,000 door-to-door missionaries...
...can by ANY stretch of the imagination...
...be considered operating by your optimum standard of “minding their own business?”
You would think...
...with your spiritual libertarianism...
[a theme you keep repeating – see also post #80 re: “meddling” and post #92 re: “let[ting] people live their own lives” and the need for people to “mind their own business”]
...that you would actually apply that even-handedly.
But of course, no. We don't see a call from you to allow folks at home “minding their own business” to not have their homes' doorbells & door-knockers imposed upon to answer to the religious proselytizing of door-to-door Mormon missionaries. When a vanity is posted here, no doorbell goes off on your computer that coerced or provoked you to respond.
Yet that's not true with door-to-door religious panhandlers like Mormon missionaries.
Tell us, if spiritual libertarianism is so big with you...
...why the open-arms toward over 52,000 proselytizing home-imposers doing that for over 600 days each
...-- with 26,000 new ones replacing the outgoing ones each year
-- but if a FEW of us raise concerns on a thread over Mormonisms, it seems to bother you a bit?
Can you explain this contrast?
You're right. Being as I am far from perfect, I need Him to save me, as do my Catholic friends, my Lutheran friends, my Presbyterian friends, and my Mormon friends. That puts us all on the same team, as I see it. Regardless of which cheers we prefer, or whether we'd rather wear home or away uniforms, we're still trying to notch up a win for Our Lord Jesus.
Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!
Here Ya go.
The Muslim Mormon Connection
http://mormonism.suite101.com/article.cfm/the_muslim_mormon_connection Mormons, Muslims break the fast in Southern California
"At the iftars, both Muslim and LDS leaders spoke at a brief service, after which the Muslims participated in evening prayers. Following the evening prayer, the groups met together for a meal, provided by the Muslims. There were members of other faiths at each of the dinners also, along with city officials.
In keeping with Muslim tradition, the call to prayer occurred at the time that the sun set that evening. Participants then broke their fasts with dates, bread or other simple items, before proceeding to evening prayer.
The LDS visitors were invited to observe the prayers. LDS women who attended wore head scarves, consistent with Muslim dress standards for women. After the evening prayer, the groups shared a large meal together. The dinners featured traditional Muslim foods such as lamb, couscous, rice and dates. About two dozen LDS members from each of the four stakes attended the events."
Well, thank you for being the first to actually consider and answer the question.
Why should I do that when I'm happy with the way it is set up?
Let me get this straight.
We as Christians have a few Biblical mandates. One is to witness to our faith; another is to defend it; and that includes contending for the faith once and for all delivered (Jude 3 of the Bible).
By following through on this, we are merely practicing our religion, are we not? (This includes contending vs. Mormons who claim that the faith wasn't delivered once and for all, after all. And it “went away” for 1500-1800 years. And that we're all “apostates.” And they have the “only true and living church on the face of the earth”...Mormon Doctrine & Covenants 1:30)
If you think Mormons are simply being faithful to the tenets of their faith and should be left alone; then why no common courtesy extended toward us? Are we not following the tenets of our faith when Jude says we should contend for the faith? (Or when the apostle Paul says we should “refute” those who oppose sound doctrine? (Titus 1:9)
Aren't you being hypocritical? Two-faced? If Christians are simply fleshing out their faith via refutation and via contention...and if you think people practicing their religious tenets should be left alone...then why are you “meddling with us” re: our comments?
Why are you “busybodying” commenting negatively upon our religious tenets? Shouldn't we be left alone?
And that affects you how, exactly? Are Mormons blocking your driveway, threatening to not let you leave until you convert? Have those "evil Mormons" taken over the local utilities board, and are threatening to raise the rates on all "infidels"? Have they taken over the HOA and are harassing you because you don't have one of those golden angels on top of your house? [Your comment, post #92]
How do our comments effect you?
You're not a Mormon.
Are we blocking your driveway?
No? Then why aren't you leaving us alone if you're so consistent with application of your lousy standard?...a standard so spiritually lousy even YOU can't keep it!!!
Have we “evil” posters taken over your local utilities board?
Are we threatening to raise rates? Have we taken over the HOA?
No? Then why aren't you leaving us alone?
OH. I get it. YOU have some magic religious license that allows YOU to offer “nosy” commentary upon others' religious tenets...even as they (we) don't, eh?
Your own standards condemn you. Either keep them or get back to your pulpit and start preaching a different message -- because there's a bad misalignment there.
LOL! Buddy, it was considered and dismissed by most thinking humans. Choose your friends wisely.
"Mainstream Christian"....well, well...the only folks I have seen that use that term are...guess!....mormons.
Bash away...Christians have been bashed by mormons from the founding of the mormon church.
"The traditions of the elders - as is also the case with the traditions of an apostate Christendom - are wholly devoid of the least scintilla of inspiration. They are, as Jesus said, 'the commandments of men'" (The Mortal Messiah, Vol.2, FOOTNOTES, Pg.412).
"What of seventies? Who are they, and how do they fit into the eternal scheme of things? That their mission and ministry is unknown among the cults of Christendom is one of the great evidences of the apostate darkness that engulfs those who call themselves by the name of Him who called seventies to stand as especial witnesses of that very name" (The Mortal Messiah, 3:99-100).
"Thus the signs of the times include the prevailing apostate darkness in the sects of Christendom and in the religious world in general. False churches, false prophets, false worship - breeding as they do a way of life that runs counter to the divine will - all these are signs of the times" (The Millennial Messiah, pg.403).
"What is the church of the devil in our day, and where is the seat of her power? ...It is all of the systems, both Christian and non-Christian, that perverted the pure and perfect gospel ...It is communism; it is Islam; it is Buddhism; it is modern Christianity in all its parts" (The Millennial Messiah, pp.54-55).
"As with other doctrines and ordinances, apostate substitutes of the real thing are found both among pagans and supposed Christians" (Mormon Doctrine, pg.72).
"When inquiring and scientific minds delve into the narrow and bigoted creeds of the apostate sects of Christendom it is not surprising that they rebel against those dogmas falsely set forth as the tenets of true religion" (Mormon Doctrine, pg.107).
"Christianity is the religion of the Christians. Hence, true and acceptable Christianity is found among the saints who have the fullness of the gospel, and a perverted Christianity holds sway among the so-called Christians of apostate Christendom" (Mormon Doctrine, pg.132).
"The only real superiority of the apostate sects of Christendom over their more openly pagan counterparts is the fact that the Christian sects (though rejecting the doctrines, ordinances, and powers of the gospel) have nonetheless preserved many of the ethical teachings of Christ and the apostles" (Mormon Doctrine, pg.240).
"And virtually all the millions of apostate Christendom have abased themselves before the mythical throne of a mythical Christ whom they vainly suppose to be a spirit essence who is incorporeal uncreated, immaterial and three-in-one with the Father and Holy Spirit" (Mormon Doctrine, pg.269).
"Gnosticism is one of the great pagan philosophies which antedated Christ and the Christian Era and which was later commingled with pure Christianity to form the apostate religion that has prevailed in the world since the early days of that era." (Mormon Doctrine, pg.316).
"In large part the worship of apostate Christendom is performed in ignorance, as much so as was the worship of the Athenians who bowed before the Unknown God, and to whom Paul said: "Whom therefore ye ignorantly worship, him declare I unto you" (Mormon Doctrine, pg. 374).
"For instance: The creeds of apostate Christendom teach untruths about God, and the scriptures say that those who accept these creeds 'have inherited lies.' (Jer. 16:16-21.) Those who accept any of the doctrines of the apostate churches are said to 'believe a lie.' (2 Thess. 2:1-12.) The process of apostasy consists in changing 'the truth of God into a lie.'" (Mormon Doctrine pg. 440).
"Pagan tribal gods were the creation of the imaginations of apostate peoples, just as the creeds and apostate views of God which prevail in modern Christendom are the result of forsaking the truth" (Mormon Doctrine, pg. 511).
"The gods of Christendom, for instance, are gods who were created by men in the creeds of an apostate people. There is little profit or peace in serving them, and certainly there is no salvation available through them" (A New Witness for the Articles of Faith, pg.545).
If this is a serious comment, you might want to see this post.
Don't we take our cultural cue from a certain "Lord" named Jesus Christ? Who are we to follow when it comes to setting cultural priorities? Jesus and the apostle Paul? or wku man?
Here's Jesus:
"I tell you, my friends, do not be afraid of those who kill the body and after that can do no more. But I will show you whom you should fear: Fear him who, after the killing of the body, has power to throw you into hell. Yes, I tell you, fear him." (Luke 12:4-5)
Does Jesus say "fear those who can 'block...your driveway' and 'threaten' you 'until you convert?'" (No)
Does Jesus say "fear those who have 'taken over the local utilities board, and are threatening to raise the rates'"? (No)
Does Jesus say "fear those who have 'taken over the HOA and are harassing you'"? (No)
Instead, does He say to exercise fear of the One who has authority to cast somebody into hell? (Yes)
So, indeed, our "fear" is on behalf of those who are placing their eternal spiritual lives at risk.
As Paul was leaving the church of Ephesus, he warned them with this high-priority alert:
"I know that after I leave, savage wolves will come in among you and will not spare the flock. Even from your own number men will arise and distort the truth in order to draw away disciples after them. So be on your guard! Remember that for three years I never stopped warning each of you night and day with tears." (Acts 20:29-31)
Paul's cultural priority? (Defend against the false disciples who will proselytize the flock and draw away men unto themselves!)
Tell me something, wku man: If you did something tearfully night and day for three years, do you think it's rather important? So what? We're just to conclude, "Oh, the man who contributed a good chunk to the New Testament -- what does he know about cultural priorities?"
I'll take Paul's and Jesus' already-revealed priorities to your guesswork based upon inconsistently applied standards.
Well, I guess both of us are censored.....
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