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Catholic Sex Abuse Hearing Descends Into `Shut Up' Order and Charge of 'Abomination'
Courthouse News Service ^ | March 25, 2011 | Reuben Kramer

Posted on 03/26/2011 12:59:03 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg

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To: WPaCon

If all else fails (like changing the subject), then troll.

Cute.


721 posted on 03/27/2011 9:33:11 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom
Partly because there is still anger at the Republican Party for the despicable way that they treated Catholics in the 1800s and 1900s, and partly because Catholics listened to more than the abortion message - many of them fell for the Democratic platform one more time.

Oh boo hoo!!! Instead of the race card they play the martyr card. And how many Catholics are still alive from the 1800's even early 1900's? And what, exactly, did the Republicans do to the poor babies?

Your apparent lack of knowledge about your native country keeps astounding me. You have no knowledge about early years of the Republican Party? In spite of the information that we have posted on a regular basis on the reception of Catholic immigrants into the US? The KKK founding on antiCatholicism, not antiblack bigotry? The No Irish Need Apply? The Know Nothings? The false Jesuit oath and the false Knights of Columbus oath that this site has chosen to omit from its threads? The Thomas Nast and other editorial cartoonists, some of which I have posted on FR? You don't know about this? Did you know that 11 out of the original colonies enacted state religions and enforced them upon pain of death? Do you know of the treatment of the Baptists and Quakers, as well as the Catholics in this progressive and tolerant system that you guys keep telling yourselves was so free for religion? Do you know that the 1st Amendment was put into place to stop the persecution and killings by the state religions in the colonies? No? Thought not.

They're still holding a grudge for over a hundred years and that's why they for pro-abortion?

Holding a grudge for over a hundred years? Look at the antiCatholic vitriol published here by you and by your cronies. Now imagine every big city newspaper publishing the same thing. Look at the Presidential candidacy of Al Smith and the filth that he had to endure. Look at what Kennedy had to endure. At the hands of those whose organization that you associate with.

Catholics are less pro abortion than Protestants are - I realize that you miss much of my postings, but I said that Catholics also look at other things as well - and they fell for some of the other things on the Democratic platform. Protestants increased their vote by about the same as Catholics did for the Democrats - it is just that they are slightly on one side of 50% and Catholics on the other side. If you guys voted 80% or 90% against them, you'd have a point. But just scraping past 50% does not make you guys anti Democratic. It just means that more Republican voters in your bloc happened to turn out on election day.

Get over yourselves. Why not put that monstrous intellect to use trying to figure out why nobody in your group is good enough to sit on the Supreme Court?

722 posted on 03/27/2011 9:34:33 PM PDT by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so..)
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To: presently no screen name
You have carved up and distorted my statements, omitted and ignored salient points, and written a screed attacking The entire church over the alleged actions of just a few.

I don't mind discussing this with rational people, but I have given up arguing with the irrational for Lent.

When and if you become a rational person, get back to me.

May God Bless you.

723 posted on 03/27/2011 9:35:19 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Running On Empty; 1000 silverlings; Alex Murphy; bkaycee; blue-duncan; boatbums; caww; ...

Well, in the last few years, I have met actually met some Catholics who hold to conservative values.

A first for me.

But it’s not necessarily a given.


724 posted on 03/27/2011 9:35:47 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom
If all else fails (like changing the subject), then troll.

Is that your motto?

725 posted on 03/27/2011 9:35:50 PM PDT by WPaCon (Obama: pansy progressive, mad Mohammedan, or totalitarian tyrant? Or all three?)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

“Roman Catholics believe the truth of the Gospel is heresy”

Not true.

“They look to Mary for salvation”

Not true

“They insist their own good words (did you by any chance actually mean ‘works’?)are required for justification since Christ’s work on their behalf is not enough”.

Not true.


726 posted on 03/27/2011 9:37:32 PM PDT by Running On Empty ((The three sorriest words: "It's too late"))
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Study up on pope Gregory XVI and learn something.

I do not take or eschew action at the direction of the likes of you. Gregory XVI came up some time ago; it is a pity that you cannot keep up with the discussion.

727 posted on 03/27/2011 9:37:48 PM PDT by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so..)
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To: WPaCon

I didn’t realize that giving another Freeper a “beating” was the purpose of this discussion.

Silly me.


728 posted on 03/27/2011 9:38:52 PM PDT by Running On Empty ((The three sorriest words: "It's too late"))
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To: Boogieman
Still, none of what you said, whether it’s accurate or not, validates your assertion that James wrote it. That’s like saying Pope Damascus translated the Latin Vulgate when we all know it was Jerome.

Ah, went back and reread the post. I will accept your point. You are correct. He caused the KJV to come into being and approved it through his committees; he did not actually write it.

729 posted on 03/27/2011 9:41:16 PM PDT by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so..)
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To: Running On Empty

You were expecting way too much :)


730 posted on 03/27/2011 9:42:31 PM PDT by WPaCon (Obama: pansy progressive, mad Mohammedan, or totalitarian tyrant? Or all three?)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
The real story is that truly conservative Roman Catholics are becoming Protestants. For every one Protestant in the U.S. who leaves his faith, four Roman Catholics leave theirs. And considering Protestants outnumber Roman Catholics by more than two to one, that is an astounding percentage of RCs leaving Rome for the truth of the Gospel.

I'll bet that you cannot name five truly conservative Roman Catholics who are becoming Protestants. Real people that is, not the fantasies that began with the Reformation and continue to this day.

Now that Catholics are established by several recent polls to be at the highest percentage of the American population they have ever been in the country's history and ever increasing, and the numbers of Protestants (at least the ones who believe in the Christian God) are declining at an even greater rate, when will you be changing your unsupported tune?

As for the Gospel, we Christians continue to follow the Gospel of Jesus; not a made up fantasy which puts the Gospel of Jesus for the Jews only, and snippets of Paul and Isaiah make up a doctrine that would be laughingly silly if it weren't so tragic.

731 posted on 03/27/2011 9:46:28 PM PDT by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so..)
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To: WPaCon
Not because of the number itself, but because we all know that Christianity lite likes to mock the Catholic Church’s stance against contraception.

They are not Christians - they admit that they do not follow the Nicene Creed as defined by its writers; they make up definitions for the Creed, as they make up doctrine.

That's not Christian
That's the way you do it.
Make up doctrines and go on TV...
That's not Christian
That's the way you do it.
Make up doctrines and it's all tax free......

See the little preacher with the dentures and the makeup;
Yeah buddy, that's expensive hair.
That little preacher has his own jet airplane;
That little preacher is a millionaire.

We've got to install some altar calls now;
Sell hankies and prayer wheel cash.
We've got move this tent and prayer cards;,br> We've got to get a Swiss bank stash....

I want my, I want my, I want my piles of cash
I want my, I want my, I want my piles of cash....

732 posted on 03/27/2011 9:56:42 PM PDT by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so..)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
The Pew study I cited was from 2008. Yours is from 2001. You lose.

The study I cited had its methology and its figures well done and correct. The Pew study was flawed.

Your telephone booth cult hemmorhaging members is losing. With the Catholic Church bringing men back to God after mankind's disastrous satanic fling with the Reformation, mankind wins.

733 posted on 03/27/2011 10:00:06 PM PDT by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so..)
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To: MarkBsnr

LOL.

These people accuse the Catholic Church of changing its beliefs, but when they are countered with the Protestant 180 on contraception, it’s all of a sudden changing the subject.

For some reason, they are desperate to avoid the subject. A guilty conscience can be a pain in the butt sometimes.


734 posted on 03/27/2011 10:04:58 PM PDT by WPaCon (Obama: pansy progressive, mad Mohammedan, or totalitarian tyrant? Or all three?)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Here's a Roman Catholic website, "a traditional Catholic forum," that quotes the most recent figures without contradiction... http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php/Evangelicals-take-top-spot

Very funny. Cathinfo.com is in self declared schism.

And another thing: you have the Washington Times speaking of - and not quoting - the same Pew study that you rave about, and now we find that the Pew study was from some organization called the Landscape Survey (whoever they are), with no data or methodology cited. I am forced to conclude that this study has been pulled from the same orifice as the collected works of Calvin and all his minions has been.

You guys liberally quote the NYTimes as long as they are antiCatholic - not a care in the world as long as the sleaze can be lobbed by them and by you guys at the Christians in this world. Guess what: we Christians have been around for 2000 years and we care nothing for the ruins of the Reformation or the rubble of the Restoration except to snicker at the puerile babble that passes for doctrines, and to feel extreme sorrow for those caught up in such a farce, when they could come to Christ and be welcomed by all the Christians in the world.

735 posted on 03/27/2011 10:14:46 PM PDT by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so..)
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To: WPaCon
These people accuse the Catholic Church of changing its beliefs, but when they are countered with the Protestant 180 on contraception, it’s all of a sudden changing the subject.

And it's not just contraception. A significant majority of Protestants in the US officially approve of contraception. The abortion mills are staffed by Protestants simply because the few Catholics involved are found out and publicly outed with suitable outrage. A nun was recently excommunicated in part for this and because she also repudiated the Faith in several other aspects.

For some reason, they are desperate to avoid the subject. A guilty conscience can be a pain in the butt sometimes.

Same with the death penalty. They looooove to agonize over the Catholic Church's Inquisition with its admittedly torturous executions, yet they have no trouble when practiced in Europe and in the US by Protestants, and most definitely the harsher the death penalty in the US, the better for the bloodthirsty "Christians" among them. I fully expect a Westboro Baptist (not to pick on the Baptists) or other self determined "bible believing" church call for death by snakebite or staked out in the desert on an anthill or being forced to watch the complete TV broadcasts of W. Herbert Armstrong.

736 posted on 03/27/2011 10:24:45 PM PDT by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so..)
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To: Ransomed
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737 posted on 03/27/2011 10:28:22 PM PDT by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so..)
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To: metmom

I know it is not the actual trial but if such conduct is an indicator of how she will precede at the trial it does not bode well for the outcome.


738 posted on 03/27/2011 11:38:36 PM PDT by lastchance (Hug your babies.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

No everyone is not doing it. Every Catholic is not doing it. The sexual abuse of children is a problem no matter where it occurs. That is what I am saying. That it happens elsewhere does not make it less wrong when a priest does it. In fact his guilt (in my opinion) is greater since he knows Catholic moral teaching and therefore is without excuse.

My criticism is for those who try to paint abuse as a “catholic” problem stemming from Catholic beliefs. I would agree it did and certainly can stem from a Catholic culture that put too much trust in priests as men and not just in the office of the priesthood. But that is true of any person who uses a position of authority to prey on victims.


739 posted on 03/27/2011 11:42:45 PM PDT by lastchance (Hug your babies.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

I read all the profiles. That is not what the profiles showed. Some did but not all by any means. Being literate gives me an advantage over those who fall for any anti-Catholic priest rhetoric.


740 posted on 03/27/2011 11:44:32 PM PDT by lastchance (Hug your babies.)
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