Posted on 03/21/2011 5:09:22 PM PDT by Quix
1. I believe there are two valid types of tongues . . .
A) ‘Heavenly language’ Spirit expressing our inner needs, yearnings without our intellectual understanding—as Paul notes.
1 Corinthians 14:15 So what shall I do? I will pray with my spirit ...
So what shall I do? I will pray with my spirit, but I will also pray with my mind;
I will sing with my spirit, but I will also sing with my mind. ...
B) A known earthly language unknown/unlearned to the speaker.
2. I’ve frequently done the former.
3. A close friend of mine has done B) 3 different times with 3 different tribes at the end of the meetings . . . praying quietly under her breath in tonuges . . . uknowingly speaking the most eloquent version of each of the 3 different tribal languages and giving a summary of The Gospel story in those languages. She had no idea until, in each case, an elderly person standing near her asked where she’d learned the archaic eloquent version of their language.
4. Yes, I’ve chided folks for abusing tongues . . . either rambling on when they should have been silent or speaking in the flesh totally.
Still practicing being terminally WRONG, I see.
Labels are merely shorthand.
What they describe is important.
I encourage you to forsake both such UNBiblical perspectives.
I agree; scriptures warn to avoid “doubtful disputations” that essentially just waste time and accomplish nothing except inciting anger.
Quix said,
“I encourage you to forsake both such UNBiblical perspectives.”
Yes, I know you do. But the trouble is that the “UNBiblical perspectives” you want me to forsake would then be replaced by the “I-centered” perspectives of the Bible you effuse. In other words, I reject your hermeneutic as, in fact, unbiblical. Scripture interprets Scripture, “I” don’t ... and “I” never will.
I could just as justifiably claim the same thing.
Intellectual gymnastics and semantics don’t make a thing true.
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. and too many of the beloved invitees are ignoring the feast His kind and lavish provision has placed right under their noses. Instead, they are surreptitiously snacking on hidden biscuits, stale little crackers they smuggled into the banqueting hall.
Matthew 9:15 (New International Version, ©2011) 15 Jesus answered, “How can the guests of the bridegroom mourn while he is with them? The time will come when the bridegroom will be taken from them; then they will fast.
Now, If we abide in our Lord Jesus Christ are we not always with him? If we need to fast, who moved, us or him?
Also, is this another You They passage? We are not the guest but the Bride.
Quix said:
“I could just as justifiably claim the same thing.”
You already did:
“This learned and articulate servant of God in this article does a masterful job of refuting the wholly indefensible cessation theories espoused by so many denominations and so-called ‘fundamentalists’ today, who, unfortunately, continue to ‘invalidate the Word of God by their traditions.’”
And I am sure that you will attempt to justify your claim (again) soon enough.
Finally, I will agree wholeheartedly with this that you said later: “Intellectual gymnastics and semantics don’t make a thing true.” Quix, there is a lot we do and say that doesn’t make a thing true, no matter how much we want to believe it. “Indeed, let God be true but every man a liar.” (Romans 3:4) In other words, Scripture interprets Scripture.
Now it is time to head for work.
AMEN!!!
Our children are given to us as gifts from God and our number one responsibility is to raise them to kneel to none but Christ, carrying the cross farther than we do.
And that eventuality will blossom and grow outward into society like ripples in a pond. "I and the children which God hath given me."
We thought great things were about to happen -- but they didn't...How did such a promising irruption of God's power and grace into our lives come to so little?
The movement was subverted and intentionally flooded with drugs. Read "Acid Dreams." Evil men conspire.
Christianity is a worldview, not just another navel view, not just another "variety of religious experience." Christianity is truly true, and applies to all of life.
AMEN!!!
"Because the Bible is a command word, it is not designed nor does it seek to satisfy our curiosity, but rather to declare God's purpose and law, and to command our faith in and obdience thereto. The command word of a sovereign God can only be an infallible word, and a law word. The Bible does not seek a rational man's assent, because this rational man is a myth. It speaks to a fallen and depraved man whose need is the word of life, and the way of life, Jesus Christ, and the law of that life and person." R.J Rushdoony, "Systematic Theology," Vol. 1, p. 25.
Be of good cheer, the best is yet to come! The future will be different, because of what we do today. Our children can grow up to be wiser, and happier, and more influential, than we were.
AMEN!!!
As God wills.
* Amillennial Christians really don't expect to move the ball too far past the 50-yard line, but they love the coach, and will play their hearts out for Him, hoping for a tie at best. * Premillennial Christians have already conceded the game, but can't get out of it, since it's the only game in town. They are accustomed to letting the other team run all over them. * Dispensational Christians add a wrinkle to the premillennial commitment to personal and corporate defeat. They sit in their own end-zones, and eagerly chat about an anticipated helicopter ride to the other end of the field, at which point they can sit back and watch the other team and the fans in the stadium engage in a riot. * Postmillennial Christians play to win, filled with confidence in the Coach and the Playbook.
ROTFLOL! That is perfect!
"... watch the other team and the fans in the stadium engage in a riot."
lolol
Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen." -- Matthew 28:18-20"All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
THAT is not only the Christian world view, it is the ONLY world view that is true and meaningful and real. All else is ephemera. Dust and denial and vanity.
For the kingdom is the LORD's: and he is the governor among the nations. All they that be fat upon earth shall eat and worship: all they that go down to the dust shall bow before him: and none can keep alive his own soul." -- Psalm 22:27-29 "All the ends of the world shall remember and turn unto the LORD: and all the kindreds of the nations shall worship before thee.
That undoubtedly happens.
In this discussion, that smells like a pack of straw dogs.
Is it really your conviction
that fasting is not a spiritual discipline of merit and usefulness in this era?
I have found, that it is helpful . . . even if the primary help is tuning-up one’s ears and helping clean out one’s spiritual cobwebs.
It is more a question than conviction. My boxes are being stretched, which is a good thing. Just last night my perspective on intercessory prayer changed because I read the wonderful book "Heaven is For Real"
Ahhhhhhh
The part about every prayer having an impact?
Did you notice a similar part in David Wilkerson’s coverletter?
“Do you still believe all things work together for good to them that love me? That I hear your prayers, even when you have no audible words to express them? Even when all seems dark and you are overwhelmed? Even when fear lays hold of your mind and soul? Even when it seems I have shut the heavens to you?
http://www.worldchallenge.org/en/coverletter/2011/keep-yourself-in-the-love-of-god
COVER LETTER
March 7, 2011
Dearly Beloved:
DO YOU STILL BELIEVE?
I had an unusual experience while in meditation with the Lord. His still, small voice asked me, “David, do you still believe?”
“Do you still believe I love you unconditionally? That you are being led by my Holy Spirit? That I bottle every tear you shed? That you are right now—in this place, in this very hour—in my perfect will?
“Do you still believe all things work together for good to them that love me? That I hear your prayers, even when you have no audible words to express them? Even when all seems dark and you are overwhelmed? Even when fear lays hold of your mind and soul? Even when it seems I have shut the heavens to you?
“David, do you still believe I feed all living things: the fish of the sea, the cattle, the fowl, all creeping things? Do you still believe I count every hair on your head—that I take note of every fallen bird on the face of the earth? Do you truly believe that?
“Do you still believe—even when death comes to your loved ones? Do you still believe what you have testified: that I give comfort and strength to face even the grave?
“Do you still believe I love you—that I forgive all your past sins, present sins and even all future sins if you will rest and trust in me? Do you believe I understand when Satan sends his messengers against you to implant doubts, lies, fears, blasphemies, despair?
“Do you still believe you are in the palm of my hand—that you are more precious than gold to your Savior? That eternal life is your future—that there is no power that can pluck you out of my hand? That I still am touched by every infirmity and affliction you endure? Do you still believe these things are true?”
My answer is emphatically, “YES! Yes, Lord, I still believe it all and more—much more!”
Read all of Psalm 103. Ask yourself, “Do I still believe it? All of it?” Beloved, keep yourself in the powerful, mighty, wondrous love of God.
Thank you for remembering our ministry worldwide to the poor, the needy, the widowed and the fatherless. For information on these efforts and others, go to: www.worldchallenge.org/missions.
In Christ,
DAVID WILKERSON
DW:bbm 3.7.11
I’m not trying to assert anywhere the following is NOT true.
Not at all suggesting anyone jump off the cliff with the following.
However . . . I think this era
IS
an era where
Believers ARE AND WILL BE
STRETCHED right up to the point of breaking and disintegrating into an amorphous mass, a puddle in the gutter . . . short of His Mercy and Grace . . .
and . . . in several senses . . . that such stretching
IS His Mercy and Grace.
That we might bear a greater weight of glory eternally . . .
I believe our paradigms of reality will be stretched.
I believe that virtually everything we believe
ABOUT God will be stretched.
That . . . in some key ways . . .
even our sacred
and even some truly sacred
things of our
beliefs ABOUT God
have to bow to
THE UTTER SACREDNESS
OF GOD.
What else stood out vividly in that precious little book?
First of all, everyone has to read the book! I think it is neat that our Lord Jesus Christ used a 4 year old to bring out the message. 4 year olds live in the NOW and do not have very much baggage yet.
ABSOLUTELY INDEED ON ALL COUNTS.
Also, It must be neat to live in a part of the country where you can still find churches with Christians in them. Here in Massachusetts they are very hard to find.
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