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21 priests suspended by Philadelphia Archdiocese for pedophilia
IBTimes ^ | March 9th 20111 | IBTimes Staff Reporter

Posted on 03/09/2011 3:44:05 AM PST by Cardhu

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To: Salvavida
I am totally unfamiliar with your charge.

Nonsense. I spent over twenty years as a Bible-Thumping Protestant, and one thing I know for sure: each and every one of them has to make excuses for why God doesn't follow their man-made doctrines born of philosophical mishandling of the Scriptures.

Furthermore, if celibacy is so contrary to Biblical teaching, why did Paul recommend it?

61 posted on 03/09/2011 7:53:34 AM PST by papertyger (Progressives: excusing hate by accusing hate.)
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To: bkaycee

So your answer is “no.”

I’ll be more than happy to answer your questions, though I can comfortably assert you will not agree with my citations, just as soon as you answer mine.

Furthermore, your refusal to acknowledge any other “God Breathed revelation” is exactly why there are as many Protestant denominations as opinions, in stark contravention to the New Testament’s absolute admonition to unity among the believers.


62 posted on 03/09/2011 8:07:06 AM PST by papertyger (Progressives: excusing hate by accusing hate.)
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To: TSgt
Show up on a thread about sex abuse in the Catholic church and do everything EXCEPT condemn the abuse. Instead you condemn those that condemn the abuse.

Like you don't show up just to throw stones at the institution instead of the perpetrators...

What delicious hypocrisy!

63 posted on 03/09/2011 8:12:03 AM PST by papertyger (Progressives: excusing hate by accusing hate.)
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To: papertyger
"Are you so enamored of your own opinion that you can actually believe if it were simply a matter of sexual gratification, these priests couldn't find a cooperative partner that wouldn't put them at risk of JAIL?

Very good point paper. After reading the thread..it seems the gay agenda is having more than just a small effect on events in PA.

That said..I had a friend who went to seminary 30 years ago who left because he was "approached" too many times. I'm thinking the culture is and has been far too accepting of alternative ways to wet your noodle so you can save face (so no one will know and they can keep their job).

Oh..and as an aside, I'm not sure how much gay infiltration factors into the problem, girls tell more often, they get pregnant so these guys may not have started out with an attraction to men.

64 posted on 03/09/2011 8:17:57 AM PST by Earthdweller (Harvard won the election again...so what's the problem.......? Embrace a ruler today.)
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To: DooDahhhh
Pedofiles and homosexuals are 2 different problems.

Not much.

There's plenty of overlap.

65 posted on 03/09/2011 8:17:57 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Cardhu

“The report also indicated that the abuse was “known, tolerated, and hidden by high church officials, up to and including the Cardinal himself.”


66 posted on 03/09/2011 8:25:49 AM PST by Grunthor (hcg diet, down 25 lbs in 3 weeks)
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To: metmom
Overlap, I will agree. But the obsession with young children is another problem.
67 posted on 03/09/2011 8:25:52 AM PST by DooDahhhh (hH)
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To: papertyger; Salvavida
Nonsense. I spent over twenty years as a Bible-Thumping Protestant, and one thing I know for sure: each and every one of them has to make excuses for why God doesn't follow their man-made doctrines born of philosophical mishandling of the Scriptures.

Furthermore, if celibacy is so contrary to Biblical teaching, why did Paul recommend it?

Is there something about *It is not good for man to be alone* that is too hard to understand?

If he recommended it, then why the criteria for elders and overseers and deacons that they be the husband of one wife.

That precludes a celibate clergy, if the concept of clergy can even really be found in the NT.

But based on your admitted history, not doubt you know that it's not.

68 posted on 03/09/2011 8:27:56 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: papertyger; TSgt
Like you don't show up just to throw stones at the institution instead of the perpetrators... What delicious hypocrisy!

If the institution didn't protect the perps, nobody would be throwing stones at it.

This is a case where you can't really separate them out. It's the good ole boy network in action.

69 posted on 03/09/2011 8:29:52 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Earthdweller
Oh..and as an aside, I'm not sure how much gay infiltration factors into the problem, girls tell more often, they get pregnant so these guys may not have started out with an attraction to men.

Please forgive me if I consider this comment a belated effort to maintain an opinion badly in need of revision.

Personally, I can only take cold comfort in Our Lord's parabolic warning of the mustard seed...He spoke truth to our shame.

70 posted on 03/09/2011 8:31:01 AM PST by papertyger (Progressives: excusing hate by accusing hate.)
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To: ConservativeWarrior

If these guys were truly not holy men, then any couples they married have to get remarried? Do any babies they sprinkled water on have to go through that again? Any confessions they ever heard now do not count?


71 posted on 03/09/2011 8:34:38 AM PST by Grunthor (hcg diet, down 25 lbs in 3 weeks)
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To: papertyger
Like you don't show up just to throw stones at the institution instead of the perpetrators...

The perpetrators make up said institution which carried out and then covered the evil acts.

Interesting thought as I've yet to see you throw a stone at either...

Birds of a feather?
72 posted on 03/09/2011 8:36:24 AM PST by TSgt (Colonel Allen West & Michele Bachman - 2012 POTUS Dream Team Ticket!)
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To: DooDahhhh

A couple reasons, I think.

One is that degeneracy is progressive. Once one starts down that path it leads to worse and worse forms.

The other is that children are more easily taken advantage of, manipulated, intimidated, and less likely to refuse or fight back.

They are *safer* victims. It may not initially have to do so much with preference as much as availability.


73 posted on 03/09/2011 8:37:00 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom
Is there something about *It is not good for man to be alone* that is too hard to understand?

Apparently there is as you don't seem to be able to reconcile it with 1 Cor 7:8.

Luckily, there are those among us with sufficient maturity to handle the more subtle vagaries of Scripture without losing the baby.

74 posted on 03/09/2011 8:39:59 AM PST by papertyger (Progressives: excusing hate by accusing hate.)
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To: papertyger
"...He spoke truth to our shame."

Yes he did..and sad to say, our beloved Priests are as human an fallible as they come. My family fed and cleaned up after the Priests in our city for over 60 years.

Trust me..most people who sit at the Lord's table and partake of the riches of the sheltered Christian life have absolutely no idea what real darkness and evil exists out there.

The next time you run across a baby that has been so badly sexually abused that their organs have to be removed and see the blank stare on the perps face as the ER staff beat the crap out of him causing them to lose their jobs...then you can then tell me I have an opinion that needs to be revised.

I could go on about the hundreds of young boys that have been abused to the point of never being able to use their rectums properly and crapping themselves for the rest of their lives...oh and was it some homeless man off the street that did it?..no it was their uncle, a priest, a minister or rabbi.

Yes man is a mess..why make it any easier to frustrate him by calling sexual desire a sin and denying it in the less damaging fashion. I'm sorry..it's not just a sin..it's just plain stupid.

75 posted on 03/09/2011 8:45:49 AM PST by Earthdweller (Harvard won the election again...so what's the problem.......? Embrace a ruler today.)
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To: metmom
This is a case where you can't really separate them out.

Oh really?

Funny how those of us without an ax to grind don't have trouble making the distinction....

But then, what can be expected from those who claim they can tell there's no difference between the love we have for God, and the love we have for the Blessed Virgin Mary.

76 posted on 03/09/2011 8:46:52 AM PST by papertyger (Progressives: excusing hate by accusing hate.)
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To: papertyger

“The report also indicated that the abuse was “known, tolerated, and hidden by high church officials, up to and including the Cardinal himself.”


77 posted on 03/09/2011 8:56:46 AM PST by Grunthor (hcg diet, down 25 lbs in 3 weeks)
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To: Cardhu

Any one really guilty= Castration as a beginning to other punishments!


78 posted on 03/09/2011 9:01:31 AM PST by johngrace (God so loved the world so he gave his only son! Praise Jesus and Hail Mary!)
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To: TSgt
The perpetrators make up said institution which carried out and then covered the evil acts.

What, are you like...twelve? Are you really so myopic and haughty that you are either prostituting your intellect to save face, or not bright enough to distinguish between a whole and its parts?

And by the way, you still haven't answered my question about any priest being exonerated. No, I think far from being a "birds of a feather" issue on my part, what we have here is a Titus 3:11 issue on your part.

79 posted on 03/09/2011 9:09:17 AM PST by papertyger (Progressives: excusing hate by accusing hate.)
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To: papertyger

It’s a terrible crime to a child. People who really did it should be punished. But to use this for Anti-catholic bigotry is amazing!


80 posted on 03/09/2011 9:10:06 AM PST by johngrace (God so loved the world so he gave his only son! Praise Jesus and Hail Mary!)
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