A Quick Ten-Step Refutation of Sola Scriptura

Catholic Fidelity.Com ^ | Dave Armstrong

[Christian Engineer Mass]

It’s not worth your time. This is nothing but a trolling thread.

[mnehring]

There are those who think that arrogating to himself the right to make pronouncements which are co-equal with Scripture is somewhat prideful of the Pope.

How is this different than the many thousands of other preachers of various other denominations who proclaim his interpretation to be co-equal and true using his claim of Sola Scriptura (which really just means his belief in what it means..)

[The Comedian]

Sola Scriptura defense against this barking madness:

Deuteronomy 4:2 - Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish [ought] from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.

Deuteronomy 12:32 - What thing soever I command you, observe to do it: thou shalt not add thereto, nor diminish from it.

Proverbs 30:5-6 - Every word of God [is] pure: he [is] a shield unto them that put their trust in him. Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.

Revelation 1:1-3 - The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified [it] by his angel unto his servant John: Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw. Blessed [is] he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time [is] at hand.

Rev. 22:18 - For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and [from] the things which are written in this book.

Galatians 1:6-12 - I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, If any [man] preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed. For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ. But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man. For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught [it], but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.

The references go on and on. Turn from this evil that you might have this oppressive doctrine lifted from your sight.

[GonzoII]

"Behold, therefore, brethren and hold the traditions (2 Thes. 2:15) which ye now receive, and write them on the table of your hearts...."

I'm sure St. Cyril knew the complete verse:

2Thes:2:15: "Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle". (KJV)

[aMorePerfectUnion]

If it isn’t in the Bible, God’s Word...

And it wasn’t included in the Apostles tradition that was passed along while the Apostles were alive, as referenced in I Thess. 2:15... “So then, brothers, stand firm and hold to the teachings we passed on to you, whether by word of mouth or by letter.”

Then it is simply an accretion of the centuries added by the traditions of men and should be rejected whenever contradicts God’s Word or adds to it.

These traditions of men include a boatload of falsehood that is now part of the doctrine of the church, unfortunately.

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[GonzoII]

"Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you"

Seeing that this was commanded before the New Testament was written should it be disregarded? Or should we accept it as more commands from the Lord to be kept?

[SuzyQue]

John 1
1(A)In the beginning was (B)the Word, and the Word was (C)with God, and (D)the Word was God.

But, how does that confirm Sola Scriptura?

[GonzoII]

"As a Protestant, I find this post very enlightening, especially with the Biblical references."

"Jannes and Jambres" were news to me...as a Catholic.

[bkaycee]

I'm sure St. Cyril knew the complete verse:

2Thes:2:15: "Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle". (KJV)

I am sure he did know the verse!

So can you mention some of these traditions you were commanded to stand fast in?

There is a list of these oral traditions, correct?

[BenKenobi]

“but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.”: The Lord Jesus Christ taught Sola Scripture”

Obviously did not read the article.

God speaks through his prophets, and not all of what they said is in the bible, yet it is oral tradition and authoritative. Scripture even says that not all that Christ taught and did is in there.

[BenKenobi]

Excellent argument. Yeah, there’s a list. Go see the Book of Concord.

[BenKenobi]

“Then it is simply an accretion of the centuries added by the traditions of men and should be rejected whenever contradicts God’s Word or adds to it.

These traditions of men include a boatload of falsehood that is now part of the doctrine of the church, unfortunately.”

So you believe that apostolic authority ended with the death of the last Apostle.

Where exactly does the bible teach this?

[GonzoII]

"Do you have an infallible list of them we can see?"

You can find them all right here and backed by the Church, the pillar and ground of the truth:

1Tm:3:15:

"But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth. (KJV)

[PetroniusMaximus]

1. Sola Scriptura Is Not Taught in the Bible
YES IT IS!

2. The "Word of God" Refers to Oral Teaching Also
So?

3. Tradition Is Not a Dirty Word
It often is in the NT

4. Jesus and Paul Accepted Non-Biblical Oral and Written Traditions
Rarely, and so?

5. The Apostles Exercised Authority at the Council of Jerusalem
So?

6. Pharisees, Sadducees, and Oral, Extrabiblical Tradition
Whatever!

7. Old Testament Jews Did Not Believe in Sola Scriptura
Proof? (A bit more that two references for such a major topic)

8. Ephesians 4 Refutes the Protestant "Proof Text"
Nope!

9. Paul Casually Assumes That His Passed-Down Tradition Is Infallible and Binding
So?

10. Sola Scriptura Is a Circular Position
Ecclesiastical Authority is ALSO a Circular Position. Why can’t you folks SEE that!

[Valpal1]

How many people could read back then or even now for that matter?

They were Jewish, the most literate people on earth, so literate that even the son of a poor carpenter could and did read scripture at the temple.

[GonzoII]

"There is a list of these oral traditions, correct?"

Linked to at post #33.

[PetroniusMaximus]

You’re never going to build up the Church by tearing down the Scriptures!!!

[bkaycee]

Excellent argument. Yeah, there’s a list. Go see the Book of Concord.

Is my asking for a list of "oral" tradition unreasonable?

Your CLAIM that Apostolic "oral" tradition exists, but refusal to tell us WHAT IT IS, is very telling.

[GonzoII]

"They were Jewish, the most literate people on earth, so literate that even the son of a poor carpenter could and did read scripture at the temple."

But Christ commanded the Gospel to be preached to the whole world:

Mk:16:15:

"And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. (KJV)

[GonzoII]

"You’re never going to build up the Church by tearing down the Scriptures!!!"

Who's tearing down anything? I'm quoting them as most authoritative.