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The Perpetual Virginity of Blessed Mary
Against Helvidius ^ | 383AD | St. Jerome

Posted on 12/23/2010 11:08:38 AM PST by marshmallow

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To: Judith Anne
So are you saying then, that the Church is not the Bride of Christ?

It matters NOT what I say. It matters what the WORD unfettered says. The Church is a body and the body has many functioning parts but speaks with one voice the WORD of God. Christ set the standard, the path and He is our advocate individually as parts of that body that work together in one voice. Flesh has always deceived him/her self they can do it better than those that came before us.

The church or the bride is not the object of worship, but the Heavenly Father in His Holy Son's Name. And no I am not saying the Church 'body' is not the symbolic bride of Christ. Now, I am using my words and not quoting Scripture. What I am asking is what does it mean to read the Heavenly Father is divorced and put His symbolic wife the House of Israel away, before Jeremiah passed through this flesh age?

God says He is not a respecter of persons, why then does it become part of any church doctrine to elevate flesh beings into objects of holy or divine respect. For some the church is a crutch that replaces the very Creator as the object of worship. None will have their denomination with them as their advocate when each and every individual goes to have their face to face accounting for their life long actions. Christ and Christ alone is each individual advocate. Also I am very well aware of that instruction of 'judge not lest ye be judged', so I spend no time in pondering/judging any souls salvation status. No individual or church denomination has that authority to judge which side of paradise a soul/spirit returns.

I might remind you that Christ was killed for who He said He was, so why would any individual or church think that in Him they would receive preferential treatment of this worldly world?

It is my opinion and I can make a case for my opinion from the Scripture, that this nation has been blessed and protected like none other in the whole historical record, because the founders acknowledged the following:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

Any person, organization, and or church that defies this truth attacks the fabric that binds US in the security of maintaining the promised blessing and protection we in this nation have come to take for granted.

And right now one of our greatest attacks against these sacred rights is organized religion as they push promote and preach government play 'god' in giving and taking individual rights. Some even call it 'social justice' as though it is DIVINE.

221 posted on 12/28/2010 4:36:35 AM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: Judith Anne

Look up all your questions - this way you can argue with yourself if you don’t like the answer.


222 posted on 12/28/2010 7:04:31 AM PST by presently no screen name
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To: Just mythoughts
Well, I was just recalling OTHER scripture from Revelations where the church was the bride of Christ. I do not recall saying anything about elevating any "flesh beings into objects of holy or divine respect." Nor does the Church become a "crutch that replaces the very Creator as the object of worship." Those ideas were not in MY posts, but yours.

You go on to say,

I might remind you that Christ was killed for who He said He was, so why would any individual or church think that in Him they would receive preferential treatment of this worldly world?

I didn't say anything about that, either.

223 posted on 12/28/2010 8:54:52 AM PST by Judith Anne (Holy Mary, Mother of God, please pray for us sinners now, and at the hour of our death.)
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To: presently no screen name

Are you going to tell me not to post to you again? If you retain the right to offer me advice, you will have to be prepared to be paid exactly what it is worth to me.


224 posted on 12/28/2010 8:58:58 AM PST by Judith Anne (Holy Mary, Mother of God, please pray for us sinners now, and at the hour of our death.)
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To: Judith Anne
Are you going to tell me not to post to you again?

How did you make that leap?

If you retain the right to offer me advice..

Advice? You have what I have readily available to you - God's Word.
225 posted on 12/28/2010 1:11:13 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: presently no screen name

YOU: “Look up all your questions - this way you can argue with yourself if you don’t like the answer.”

That appeared to be either advice, or a command. Are you saying it was a command?


226 posted on 12/28/2010 5:16:04 PM PST by Judith Anne (Holy Mary, Mother of God, please pray for us sinners now, and at the hour of our death.)
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To: Judith Anne

Do you not have that information available to you or not?


227 posted on 12/28/2010 5:57:56 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: presently no screen name

If you (plural) cannot defend your(plural) beliefs, and answer the questions in 215, then it is illogical to behave as if you(plural) know it all.

I believe Joseph was called by God, ordained to protect and take care of Christ Jesus, God the Son of God, and His mother. I believe anything else is speculation. Traditional beliefs of the time tend to support the Blessed Mary Ever Virgin dogma.


228 posted on 12/28/2010 6:35:25 PM PST by Judith Anne (Holy Mary, Mother of God, please pray for us sinners now, and at the hour of our death.)
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