In the meantime, just remember what they say about your emperor …
Posted on 12/18/2010 7:30:33 PM PST by pastorbillrandles
If that's true, then Gary North is a fool. We know he had troulbe with the year 2000.
Of course I wouldn't take your word from it, lacking a working knowledge of the original sources as it were.
>> Of course I wouldn’t take your word from it, lacking a working knowledge of the original sources as it were.<<
I was in one of there newsletters from back in about 2001 if I remember correctly. I’m sure you keep up with them. Didn’t think I was familiar with them did you.
Where do you dream this stuff up from? What a load of baloney. This is what you get when you don’t read the original source and reply on the false testimony of others.
I'd say you are violating the 9tyh commandment, but, no doubt, as a dispensationalist you don't believe the Ten Commandments are for the "church age."
What newsletters? Is that the best you can do? Your claim has fraud written all over it.
What a horrible thing!! I can’t imagine anything more satanic than recognizing the Lord Jesus Christ as King of kings, the divine Sovereign over human institutions.
I can understand why such language might give dysfunctional dispensationalists the heebie-jeebies, but It sounds like standard issue Reformed theology for the last 400 years or so.
And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, "All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age." Amen.Are you sure you grew up in a Reformed church?
Speaking of irrational, how should we take such patently presumptuous statements as these?
These people will stand before God, accursed for their perversion of His Bible.
There is simply no way whatsoever to Scripturally justify preterism.
The red-headed step children to the Nazis, the Replacement Theologians
* Once again the world will be globalized and ruled from the west,
Since the time of Noah, when has the world been “globalized and ruled from the west?”
will be a revived Roman empire, a European super state at the time of the second coming.
The Scriptures know nothing of a “revived Roman empire.’ This is a fiction of dispensational futurism.
Once again a man claiming to be god will seek to count and number the people of the world at the time of the return of the Saviour.
There’s nothing in the Bible about this.
* Once again Jerusalem and Judea will exist under foreign domination
There’s nothing in the Bible about this.
The situation today is similar, for though Israel captured the city of Jerusalem in 1967
The modern day secular state of Israel is not a subject of biblical prophecy. This is a fiction of dispensational futurism.
The 9th chapter of Daniel alone is an amazing prophecy which pinpointed the exact timing of the Messiah’s coming, death and the destruction of te temple following it.Jesus would tell us in Matthew 24 that once again an understanding of Daniel the Prophet is essential to being ready for his second coming
Dispensational futurism has basically misinterpreted the key text of Daniel 9:27, and then, in order to make their errant theology work, they have invented a gap of several thousand years and inserted it into the text of the Daniel 9 prophecy. They have inserted a similar gap in the text of 1 Cor. 15.
23 But each one in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who are Christ's at His coming. [ insert a gap of 1000 years here.] 24 Then comes the end, when He delivers the kingdom to God the Father, when He puts an end to all rule and all authority and powerIt appears all you have been able to do is regurgitate the longstanding errors of dispensational futurism.
>>Where do you dream this stuff up from?<<
Rushdonny did indeed teach that Christians are to take total Dominion of the world subjected to the laws of the O.T. unless a law was specifically annulled in the N.T.
I would contend he was also racist.
Are these not quotes from Rushdoony’s Institutes of Biblical Law?
“The earth is indeed the Lord’s, as is all dominion, but God has chosen to give dominion over the earth to man, subject to His law-word, and property is a central aspect of that dominion.”
“The people of God must therefore be schooled into the nature and requirements of godly dominion.”
“The move from Africa to America was a vast increase of freedom for the Negro, materially and spiritually.”
“Lazy slaves were “an albatross that hung the South, that bled it.”
“The University of Timbuktu never existed. The only thing that existed in Timbuktu was a small mud hut.”
“Some people are by nature slaves and will always be so.”
“The urge to dominion is God-given and is basic to the nature of man. An aspect of this dominion is property.”
“The false witness borne during World War II with respect to Germany (i.e., the death camps) is especially notable and revealing…. the number of Jews who died after deportation is approximately 1,200,000 … very many of these people died of epidemics.”
“All men are NOT created equal before God.”
Concerning punishment I would refer to articles from their magazine.
The magazine publishes thought provoking articles like W. Einwechter’s on stoning the rebellious child. “It displays the wisdom and mercy of God in restraining wickedness so that the righteous might flourish in peace.” (Jan. 99)
You tell me. You're the expert on these matters. You must have a copy in front of you.
Concerning punishment I would refer to articles from their magazine.
Which magazine?
Which reformed church did you allegedly belong to?
I was afraid you would take that approach. Get the behind me. You are now on my no respond list.Please take me off any ping lists.
Keep comin' back for more.
Let's talk about futurist dysfunctionalism.
In the meantime, just remember what they say about your emperor …
>>Are you sure you grew up in a Reformed church?<<
Let me try to clarify if I can. I agree with much of what many traditional Reformed theologians teach. There are, however, places that we differ. Sometimes the differences are slight and sometimes they are rather stark. I even agree with much of what Rushdoony teaches. For that matter, most Christian religions have points that I agree with them on.
With the Reformed Church my first problem was with the 6000 year old earth that started my self study. I have since differed on other aspects such as prophecy.
With Rushdoony, North, et el the difference begins with the teaching that we Christians are to have dominion in the physical sense of the entire world before Jesus returns to establish His earthly Kingdom. The Bible clearly teaches that the end days will be “like the days of Noah” in that it will be mostly in rebellion.
Nah, using that type of tactic tells me to shake the dust off. See ya.
What a horrible thing!! I can’t imagine anything more satanic than recognizing the Lord Jesus Christ as King of kings, the divine Sovereign over human institutions.
Exactly! Jesus IS Lord over this life and the next, whether men want to admit that fact or not.
And he is before all things, and by him all things consist." -- Colossians 1:16-17"For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
"All things." Men's stubborn disbelief doesn't change that fact.
>> “Gary North indicates. “it is the moral obligation of Christians to recapture every institution for Jesus Christ.”<<
• >> Exactly! Jesus IS Lord over this life and the next, whether men want to admit that fact or not.<<
The part about the recapturing attitude and statements you have left out of the above quotes is the statements of Rushdoony and North about corporal punishment that is included in their idea of “recapture” or “dominion”.
The fact that they also include the stoning of children for being rebellious. Corporal punishment for adultery, homosexuality, and sex before marriage to name a few.
Sorry, but that’s an intemperate reading of North and Rushdoony.
Intemperate? I think not. They advocate a strict adherence to O.T. Biblical law and punishment. North’s comment of “I prefer stoning because stones are cheap” may or may not have been “off the cuff” but when taken in context of his other views was telling. Certainly not what Jesus preached.
I don’t know if you are familiar with North’s rants leading up to Y2K but his propensity for excess or “out there thinking” is indicative of his going overboard.
If this is our obligation, then we have failed. If it is our purpose, and we do it, then there is no reason for Christ to come again to bring the new heaven and new earth. The old earth will be as God wanted.
With the Reformed Church my first problem was with the 6000 year old earth that started my self study.
Fer it or agin' it?
You might want to take a look at R. Scott Clark's Recovering the Reformed Confession. He addresses the age of the earth specifically, as an example of what he calls the "quest for illegitimate religious certainty", and something that ought not to be a marker for what it means to be Reformed. (He says the same thing about theonomy.) "It excludes the right people and includes the wrong people."
With Rushdoony, North, et el the difference begins with the teaching that we Christians are to have dominion in the physical sense of the entire world before Jesus returns to establish His earthly Kingdom.
Make that, "I strongly recommend you read Clark's book".
The Bible clearly teaches that the end days will be “like the days of Noah” in that it will be mostly in rebellion.
What does the text say? Jesus tells us what "as in the days of Noah" means. "Eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage until the day the flood came". In other words, living ordinary lives, oblivious to their peril. Not hatching Nephelim, as the current popular nuttiness has it.
You “shake the dust off” on every one of these threads and yet here we find ourselves again... seriously, why can’t you source any of your material?
Nobody’s perfect.
“Political Polytheism” is a great book. You can read it free online here...
http://www.entrewave.com/freebooks/docs/21f2_47e.htm
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