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Was Mary Sinless?
The Aristophrenium ^ | 12/05/2010 | " Fisher"

Posted on 12/05/2010 6:14:57 PM PST by RnMomof7

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To: Kolokotronis

What a beautiful prayer. God bless you.


701 posted on 12/06/2010 2:35:26 PM PST by lastchance (Hug your babies.)
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To: lara
"Catholics are told what they Must believe, they are not allowed to question the CHURH ...

But on the other hand we have a constant litany from non-Catholics that the Church is too lenient with its excommunication policies. We are damned if we do and damned if we don't.

702 posted on 12/06/2010 2:39:45 PM PST by Natural Law
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To: starlifter; RnMomof7
And so the question remains, who did Mary murder...and who did you murder?

Don't tell me that concept went over your head. No one said Mary, you or me murdered again.

Under the LAW - if you commit one sin, you are guilty of all. Why is that so hard to understand? Wish I could explain it better but you might take my words and accuse me like you accused RnMomof7. Try this - does it tell you that you need a Savior? If you lived under the law, how do you think you would fare? Mary knew she needed a Savior.


703 posted on 12/06/2010 2:41:51 PM PST by presently no screen name ("Thus you nullify the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down.." Mark 7:13)
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To: starlifter
As for myself, I didn't murder anyone. But because I am a sinner, just like Mary and you and RnMom and everyone else who's ever lived with the exception of Jesus Christ, it is if I had broken every law, murder included.

Did you read James? What do you think those verses mean?

704 posted on 12/06/2010 2:42:20 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: starlifter
There is a difference between the Commandments of God and the ceremonial laws of the Jews.

The ceremonial laws have passed away with the advent of Jesus Christ. The commandments of God are eternal.

705 posted on 12/06/2010 2:45:03 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: shurwouldluv_a_smallergov
"The wages of sin is death" (Romans 6:23)

Babies die, right? Then babies are sinners.

"In him you were also circumcised... having been buried with him in baptism and raised with him through your faith in the power of God" (Colossians 2:11,12).

Baby boys in Old Testament Israel were circumcised at a young age too--eight days old. The Bible compares baptism with circumcision.

We are born sinful.

God Bless

706 posted on 12/06/2010 3:00:43 PM PST by Vegasrugrat
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
"I paid $7 for Ratzinger's recent "global authority" encyclical and it is sooo far beyond socialism as to be pure communism."

Horse hockey that you paid anything for what is obtainable for free from numerous on line sources and double horse hockey that you actually read it and arrived at that conclusion.

There is no doubt that many will conclude the worst of all possible contents of anything written by the pope or any pope without even bothering to read it. I seriously doubt, based upon your highly biased posting history that you are any not among them.

707 posted on 12/06/2010 3:05:50 PM PST by Natural Law
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To: Judith Anne

We’ve been through this before, Judith. The internet is filled with factual information regarding Pacelli’s coziness with Hitler and his approval of the Enabling Act which destroyed the Catholic Centre Party, thereby erasing any protesting voice to Hitler’s complete take-over of Germany.

Read Cromwell’s book. Learn for yourself.

http://www.liberalslikechrist.org/Catholic/Hitlerspope.html

I do recall your fondness for Dalin, the Jewish professor who defends Pacelli and is employed by a Roman Catholic university, so here’s another link which illustrates how Rome says one thing but does another...

http://www.archelaos.com/popes/details.aspx?id=299


708 posted on 12/06/2010 3:08:10 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: metmom

I was making the point that amongst ancient Jews and Christians both the written and oral teachings were trusted. Not that one was superior to the other or that the presence of one suggests the absence of the other. What was important was not the method of communication but the source. In regards to the teachings of Jesus and the apostles this includes oral Tradition.

The Jews were indeed literate but the expansion of Christianity did not rely on the written word only. For an example of the place of Apostolic Tradition we have this from Irenaeus:

“As I said before, the Church, having received this preaching and this faith, although she is disseminated throughout the whole world, yet guarded it, as if she occupied but one house. She likewise believes these things just as if she had but one soul and one and the same heart; and harmoniously she proclaims them and teaches them and hands them down, as if she possessed but one mouth. For, while the languages of the world are diverse, nevertheless, the authority of the tradition is one and the same” (Against Heresies 1:10:2 [A.D. 189]).


709 posted on 12/06/2010 3:08:42 PM PST by lastchance (Hug your babies.)
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To: Judith Anne
"Pacelli was in bed with the Nazis."

I'm not sure that Frau Doktor Reichbishop wants any proper discussion of the direct religious support the Nazi Party and Third Reich received from the German Christian (Protestant) Church. Its one thing to sling mud, its another thing to sling it at a fan.

710 posted on 12/06/2010 3:11:38 PM PST by Natural Law
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To: freedumb2003
God chose Mary because she was sinless — and He absolved her of Original Sin (As the Creator of the Universe this wasn’t too tough for Him).

No, but lying about it would be way too tough for Him. That's how we can discern God's Church from a very large poser.

711 posted on 12/06/2010 3:21:12 PM PST by DungeonMaster (My dad put his arm around me like that once, to this very day he wears orthopedic shirts.)
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To: Natural Law
Horse hockey that you paid anything for what is obtainable for free from numerous on line sources and double horse hockey that you actually read it and arrived at that conclusion.

lol. I bought it and I read it. The internet is great for a lot of things, but they've got this new invention where you can actually underline words and highlight passages. And it's portable and requires no electricity nor wii fi. It fits in your pocket and it never changes. What it says one day is the same thing it says the next day. It can't be re-edited or redacted or erased on someone's whim or deceit. It is set in stone for all time. It says what it says.

And it only cost $7.

I would encourage you to do the same thing. You say you are a conservative. Let's see what you think about Ratzinger's appeal for a "global authority" to run everything in our lives, including our government.

712 posted on 12/06/2010 3:33:29 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: RnMomof7
Yes, she is the anti-Eve - the possiblity of redemption of the entire human race entered the world through her by the grace of God. But if it curdles your cream to think about it, maybe you should just move on to some topic that doesn’t arouse such indignation and sniping and jealousy. When you meet her, ask her.

Where is that in the bible?

Between Genesis 1:1 and the end.

713 posted on 12/06/2010 3:48:18 PM PST by Puddleglum ("due to the record harvest, rationing will continue as usual")
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To: Natural Law

I heart you.


714 posted on 12/06/2010 3:57:10 PM PST by lastchance (Hug your babies.)
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To: Ann Archy

You’re making a fool of yourself...


715 posted on 12/06/2010 3:59:24 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Obamacare is America's kristallnacht !!)
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To: starlifter
And so the question remains, who did Mary murder...and who did you murder?

Is it possible you really can not understand the scripture?

There once was a pastor that said he had enough sin in his prayers for God to send him to hell...

Men spend so much time comparing themselves to other men, they forget the standard is not men but a Holy , Perfect , God

Scripture does not teach that there are venial sins and mortal sin..ALL sin is an offense to a Holy God.. Even a pencil taken as a child is an abomination to God and enough to condemn one to hell ..

The scripture is clear to those of us that study it.. committing one sin is as offensive to God as violating all of them..

Isaiah was a priest that loved God.. yet when God revealed Himself to him..what was Isaiah response ?

Isa 6:5 Then said I, Woe [is] me! for I am undone; because I [am] a man of unclean lips, and I dwell in the midst of a people of unclean lips: for mine eyes have seen the King, the LORD of hosts.

THAT my friend is the response of men that have met God.. a knowledge they are filthy before a holy God and deserve the fires of hell...

Even talking back to your parents, is as offensive to God as murder .. the laws are the laws.. there is no "good time" there is only hell.

Jesus said, "Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.” (John 5:24)

Repent, therefore, of this wickedness of yours, and pray to the Lord that, if possible, the intent of your heart may be forgiven you. (Act 8:22)

716 posted on 12/06/2010 3:59:47 PM PST by RnMomof7 (Gal 4:16 asks "Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?")
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To: Natural Law; Dr. Eckleburg
There is no doubt that many will conclude the worst of all possible contents of anything written by the pope or any pope without even bothering to read it. I seriously doubt, based upon your highly biased posting history that you are any not among them.

ROTFL! I was among the first FReepers to read (in full), and post direct excerpts from, the official Vatican.va-hosted English translation of Caritas in veritate. The initial Catholic reaction to my posts was that I was using a suspect/poor/faulty translation, because the Catholics identified it as socialism, too. They later changed their tune when they saw that it came from the Pope, and now they only claim that atheistic socialism is bad.

717 posted on 12/06/2010 4:00:11 PM PST by Alex Murphy ("Posting news feeds, making eyes bleed, he's hated on seven continents")
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To: Not gonna take it anymore

You should be able to discern that “oneness” is opposite of “trinitarian.”


718 posted on 12/06/2010 4:01:20 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Obamacare is America's kristallnacht !!)
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To: Puddleglum

Nice try..But I have read the bible several times..and it is not there..no where is Mary the “new Eve “ ..a lie made up out of whole cloth


719 posted on 12/06/2010 4:03:43 PM PST by RnMomof7 (Gal 4:16 asks "Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?")
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To: presently no screen name
Don't tell me that concept went over your head. No one said Mary, you or me murdered again.

I am afraid it did

1Cr 2:14

720 posted on 12/06/2010 4:06:06 PM PST by RnMomof7 (Gal 4:16 asks "Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?")
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