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Was Mary Sinless?
The Aristophrenium ^ | 12/05/2010 | " Fisher"

Posted on 12/05/2010 6:14:57 PM PST by RnMomof7

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To: Dr. Eckleburg
" If you go to the link, you will find an answer to the question which seems to escape every Roman Catholic on these threads."

A visit to that link is very revealing. Apparently there are some Christians or Christian beliefs in the OPC (just not any that have shown up on FR). Most revealing, about the OPCers who frequent these threads, is the following Q & A exchange:

So, it appears that you are out of Communion even with your own Church. Care to comment? Q: Is there a specific reason as to why we seem to look down upon Roman Catholics more than other religions? They are Christians after all. A lot of my friends are Catholic and they seem like nice people. We even share many of the same beliefs. So why do we "bash" them?

A: Blah, blah, blah...If by "look down" you mean deride, belittle, or mock, any who do such are wrong.

So it appears that you are out of communion even with your own church. Care to comment?

1,921 posted on 12/09/2010 11:38:45 AM PST by Natural Law
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To: RnMomof7

Do you reject what those verses state?


1,922 posted on 12/09/2010 11:38:58 AM PST by lastchance (Hug your babies.)
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To: the_conscience; Jaded; Judith Anne; Legatus; maryz; NYer; Salvation; Pyro7480; Coleus; narses; ...
They wrote about how the Gospel was a set of books?

Reading comprehension doesn't seem to be one of your strengths, here is what I actually wrote:

Do you belong to one of these strange cults which rejects Jesus Christ and chooses instead to worship St. Paul? Sts. Peter and Paul both wrote about this.

Based on the Scripture you cited what exactly does the non-Christian not do?

I have no idea what goes on at these Satanic cult gatherings.

1,923 posted on 12/09/2010 11:41:02 AM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: lastchance
Why is Jesus called the Word?

And that has what to do with the gospel?

Do you know what the gospel Jesus preached was?

1,924 posted on 12/09/2010 11:42:06 AM PST by RnMomof7 (Gal 4:16 asks "Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?")
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To: wagglebee

I believe first they nominate a candidate for presidency who promises hope and change.


1,925 posted on 12/09/2010 11:42:38 AM PST by lastchance (Hug your babies.)
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To: RnMomof7; Jaded; Judith Anne; Legatus; maryz; NYer; Salvation; Pyro7480; Coleus; narses; annalex; ..
So the Good news is you get to work and earn salvation now ? How does that differ from the OLD bad news preached by the Pharisees?

Did it escape your notice that EVERY WORD in EVERY BIBLE VERSE I posted in 1868 were the actual, direct Words of Jesus Christ? Not the words of Saints Peter or Paul or James or anyone else, this is what the Lord ACTUALLY SAID. I apologize if this conflicts with whatever doctrines your church teaches, but it is the truth.

1,926 posted on 12/09/2010 11:45:24 AM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: RnMomof7

You honestly ask that question?? See my answer to Dr. E. as to what good news Jesus preached.

You do get that Christianity is about the person of Jesus Christ, right? It is the personal nature of the faith that so offended Greeks and Jews. For St. Paul did not write “we preach what Christ wrote but “We preach Christ crucified...” The very fact that what a person (yes I know Christ is God) did with His body is what saves us scandalized the world as it still does today.

You can not seperate the humanity of Christ from the divinity of Christ. You can not separate the Gospel from the person of Christ. He is the Word made flesh.


1,927 posted on 12/09/2010 11:48:28 AM PST by lastchance (Hug your babies.)
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To: lastchance
Do you reject what those verses state?

So the Good news is the same old bad news recycled?

The problem is those scriptures are being read without spiritual understanding and out of context .

1Cr 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know [them], because they are spiritually discerned.None of them being saved by the law or works my friend.. If the method of salvation remained the law and works..why did Christ bither to come??

Jesus preached the gospel.. what do you think he was telling people ..

1,928 posted on 12/09/2010 11:48:34 AM PST by RnMomof7 (Gal 4:16 asks "Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?")
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To: wagglebee

Sorry about my lack of strength in reading comprehension.

You quoted me about how I saw Romanists as believing the gospel was a set of books and then you responded with something about strange cults that worship Paul and that Paul and Peter wrote about this. So were you referring to my point about a set of books or how Paul and Peter wrote about those in strange cults that worshiped Paul?

Call me a Eunuch- but how am I to understand those Scriptures as you understand them unless you explain them to me?


1,930 posted on 12/09/2010 11:50:35 AM PST by the_conscience (We ought to obey God, rather than men. (Acts 5:29b))
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To: RnMomof7

First to be pleasing to God any work of love we do must arise out of His grace. We believe works and faith both come from grace and the merit for them is due to God alone. They are a way of giving evidence of our faith in the love of Christ for us and for others.

We know Saint Paul would not reject what Christ said so what do you believe those verses mean? Or are those verses meant to trick us into doing good works and see how let’s themselves be condemned by such action?


1,932 posted on 12/09/2010 11:54:31 AM PST by lastchance (Hug your babies.)
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To: the_conscience; Jaded; Judith Anne; Legatus; maryz; NYer; Salvation; Pyro7480; Coleus; narses; ...
Sorry about my lack of strength in reading comprehension.

Most communities offer classes for free.

You quoted me about how I saw Romanists as believing the gospel was a set of books and then you responded with something about strange cults that worship Paul and that Paul and Peter wrote about this. So were you referring to my point about a set of books or how Paul and Peter wrote about those in strange cults that worshiped Paul?

The latter, let's look once more at what I wrote:

Do you belong to one of these strange cults which rejects Jesus Christ and chooses instead to worship St. Paul? Sts. Peter and Paul both wrote about this.

This is a PARAGRAPH, the sentence about what the Apostles Peter and Paul wrote was in reference to my question.

Call me a Eunuch

Why don't you leave your personal information out of it.

but how am I to understand those Scriptures as you understand them unless you explain them to me?

I would suggest that you find a Catholic Church and inquire there. We read from the Gospels at EVERY MASS, many churches that claim to be Christian seldom if ever read the Gospels. If you really don't want to go to a Catholic Church, that's fine, the Orthodox, Lutherans and Anglicans ALSO read from the Gospels at every liturgy.

1,933 posted on 12/09/2010 12:02:19 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; RnMomof7; Alex Murphy; metmom; Quix
Ask them what the gospel of Mary is, the floodgates will open
1,934 posted on 12/09/2010 12:11:11 PM PST by 1000 silverlings (everything that deceives, also enchants: Plato)
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To: wagglebee
Most communities offer classes for free.

I live in the country and I don't have access to any free reading comprehension services. Will you teach me?

This is a PARAGRAPH, the sentence about what the Apostles Peter and Paul wrote was in reference to my question.

Oftentimes I'll notice that when one writer quotes another writer he then goes on to make a commentary on the quotation and there will be a correspondence between the quote and the commentary. I guess not in this case. Anyway, can you show me where Paul and Peter talked about strange cults that worshiped Paul?

Why don't you leave your personal information out of it.

I thought it might be helpful for your response.

I would suggest that you find a Catholic Church and inquire there.

I gathered from your response that those verses were self-evident which is why you quoted them. If it were so simple to understand why can't you explain them instead of referring me to a Romanist Church?

1,935 posted on 12/09/2010 12:17:00 PM PST by the_conscience (We ought to obey God, rather than men. (Acts 5:29b))
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To: the_conscience

don a burka and sandals and some liberal org will send a government car over to take you to the liberal college of your choice, and give you free medical and a welfare check. Then you can post online day and night


1,936 posted on 12/09/2010 12:28:40 PM PST by 1000 silverlings (everything that deceives, also enchants: Plato)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
"It's no coincidence the major despots of the 20th century have been Roman Catholic - Mussolini, Hitler, Franco, Peron, Marcos, etc...

Wow. Blaming Catholicism for Hitler is like blaming Jesus for Judas... Yeah, that invalidates everything Jesus ever did or said...

I'm sure that every single non-Catholic Christian has been a paragon of virtue, right?

Keep it up, your christian charity very convincing...

1,937 posted on 12/09/2010 12:29:29 PM PST by shurwouldluv_a_smallergov
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To: 1000 silverlings

lol


1,938 posted on 12/09/2010 12:35:16 PM PST by the_conscience (We ought to obey God, rather than men. (Acts 5:29b))
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To: Bellflower

Thought by the last part of your remark that you were inferring that the seed was of God. You are correct, though when I think of seed, well you know...:)


1,939 posted on 12/09/2010 12:42:46 PM PST by Jvette
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To: Ann Archy

Really? You should see the Mormon threads. I try not to participate often. The same accusations have been addressed ad nauseaum to the same people who make the same false statement again and again.. you get the idea. There are certain posters who do not share Team 1’s worldview that get dismissed as if they are non-existent or democrat. Very sad. How’s that for Christian witness?

Mostly it’s like passing that 10 car pile up on the highway... you know you shouldn’t look and you try not to but then you do.


1,940 posted on 12/09/2010 12:46:44 PM PST by Jaded (Stumbling blocks ALL AROUND, some of them camouflaged well. My toes hurt, but I got past them.)
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