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Was Mary Sinless?
The Aristophrenium ^ | 12/05/2010 | " Fisher"

Posted on 12/05/2010 6:14:57 PM PST by RnMomof7

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To: redgolum

Well, I’m not Orthodox or Coptic, so I won’t go there.

There was certainly debate about what books to include, but the Church settled it (for Catholics) in 382. And so it stood until Luther.


1,621 posted on 12/08/2010 2:52:01 PM PST by shurwouldluv_a_smallergov
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To: Cronos; boatbums

“”To be fair to bb, i didn’t discern her trying to eliminate the human connection to Christ””

Not intentionally,but Christ inherited some things from Mary to become true man and it seems mitochondrial DNA is one of them, mitochondrial DNA is in our blood inherited exclusively from our mothers and can be traced back to them in our blood.

Molecular cell biology
By Harvey F. Lodish

Surprisingly, we inherit a small amount of genetic material entirely and uniquely from our mothers. This is the circular DNA present in mitochondria

http://books.google.com/books?id=K3JbjG1JiUMC&pg=PA13&lpg=PA13&dq=mitochondrial+DNA+is+inherited+entirely+from+our+mothers.&source=bl&ots=aoK5YPEsby&sig=ivHV_ecPWzKb4QZ5K1nLqCgJB30&hl=en&ei=IgkATa3GI8H58AbY9PGTBw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CBYQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=mitochondrial%20DNA%20is%20inherited%20entirely%20from%20our%20mothers.&f=false

And from UTEXAS

Mitochondrial sequence. Each of your cells (except red blood cells again) contains hundreds to thousands of organelles known as mitochondria. Mitochondria ultimately evolved from bacteria, and they have their own miniature chromosome. Unlike the case with your (nuclear) chromosomes, all of the mitochondria in your body are inherited from your mother – so you have a single type. The sequence of your mitochondrial DNA matches that of your mother’s mitochondrial DNA and can be used as one form of a DNA type.

http://www.utexas.edu/courses/bio301d/Topics/DNA/text.html

So,Blessed Pope Leo XIII was not really in error after all

BB, I apologize for not reading your original post as well


1,622 posted on 12/08/2010 3:07:16 PM PST by stfassisi ((The greatest gift God gives us is that of overcoming self"-St Francis Assisi)))
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To: Belteshazzar
Really? Let’s see, which of them was illiterate? Which of them did not understand Biblical Hebrew better than anyone on this thread? Which of them did not speak as his native language Aramaic? Which of them was not well able to converse and write in Greek? That makes them all trilingual. And then -then! - they did three years of seminary training with, shall we say, a rather respected professor. You are not reading the Scriptures for what they say, you are reading your presumptions and prejudices back into the Scriptures. But in this you are quite correct, the church was built in plain sight. So, open your eyes. As far as your arguments against Peter being appointed pope, I have no idea why you are directing that at me.

What was taught to them by in large was taught by Christ and later The Holy Spirit. This included corrections among themselves. Of the ones of higher education Matthew and later Luke by their trade and Paul by his before his conversion. How many lettters did Paul actually write by his own hand BTW? John likely could write toward the end of his life. But fishermen were laborers and it was a very demandiing and dangerous job. If a trade had been there easier for them as more educated I'd say they would have taken it. It doesn't mean they were ignorant or stupid it means they weren't Scribes.

Christ called four fishermen. In modern day He could have called four steel workers on a high rise or four farmers plowing a field with a mule and made preachers of them without college. BTW who taught John The Baptist? The answer is in scripture. John The Baptist was born with knowledge of Jesus Christ. 1 Corinthians ch 1 I think pretty much says it all.

1,623 posted on 12/08/2010 3:07:42 PM PST by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: shurwouldluv_a_smallergov

“The reason why the Trent list is the first infallible pronouncement of the list is because nobody ever challenged it before Luther!”

In your defense of Rome you continue to argue out of ignorance, willful or not i do not know, as i provided you with both documented history and links. You do not have to be a scholar do read the work of such,and to present an informed argument.


1,624 posted on 12/08/2010 3:09:32 PM PST by daniel1212 ( ("Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out," Acts 3:19))
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To: Ann Archy; RnMomof7
I'll explain more deeply......at Mass on Sunday (weekdays just have one Epistle reading, Sunday has 2 Readings PLUS a Psalm and of course the Gospel)...the Epitsle is a Bible reading but NOT the words of Jesus....can be OT or NT....the Gospel is the Bible readings that are the Words of Jesus. So it's 2 Epistles and 1 Psalm and 1 Gospel Reading every Sunday.

If you go to Mass every day for 3 years, you will get MOST of the Bible read in the Epistles and the Gospels.

"Most of the Bible" is not quite the number that I arrived at, but yes, you are getting a decent amount. I readily confirm that you are getting MOST of the New Testament in the Epistles and the Gospels, though!

1,625 posted on 12/08/2010 3:10:16 PM PST by Alex Murphy ("Posting news feeds, making eyes bleed, he's hated on seven continents")
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To: Alex Murphy

Like I said before....MOST Catholics have gone to CATHOLIC schools where they are IMMERSED in the Bible and we also read on our own....geesh...I’ll match you anyday.


1,626 posted on 12/08/2010 3:16:20 PM PST by Ann Archy (Abortion......the Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Cronos

No, not on the Lord’s side, but perhaps “Sanctimonious” referred to hypocritical persons using the pro-life issue to promote themselves while holding to wrong practices. The poster will have to answer.


1,627 posted on 12/08/2010 3:17:27 PM PST by daniel1212 ( ("Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out," Acts 3:19))
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To: maryz

Thanks.


1,628 posted on 12/08/2010 3:19:23 PM PST by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: Ann Archy
Like I said before....MOST Catholics have gone to CATHOLIC schools where they are IMMERSED in the Bible and we also read on our own....geesh...I’ll match you anyday.


"I don't know what you want here, but I think you should know that I've killed a lot of old people in my time. And I'm not above doing it again."
-- Dr Johnny Fever, WKRP In Cincinnatti, pilot episode

1,629 posted on 12/08/2010 3:25:11 PM PST by Alex Murphy ("Posting news feeds, making eyes bleed, he's hated on seven continents")
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To: Alex Murphy

well, I AM from Cinti!!


1,630 posted on 12/08/2010 3:27:50 PM PST by Ann Archy (Abortion......the Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: daniel1212

In your defense of Luther you posted links to Protestant sites that would take way too long to read, let alone refute.

Instead of having the decency to make a specific argument, you post links to sites that you refer to as “documented history”.

I could post links to sites as well, but consider that to be cowardice. I posted the canons, you can cry “ignorant” all you want. Trent was in response to Luther!


1,631 posted on 12/08/2010 3:28:20 PM PST by shurwouldluv_a_smallergov
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To: Alex Murphy

Could you answer something seriously please? What is your religion and have you been taught what Catholics believe in that religion? Or do you just concentrate on your own religion?


1,632 posted on 12/08/2010 3:29:35 PM PST by Ann Archy (Abortion......the Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Alex Murphy

LOL!

Losing sleep over it?


1,633 posted on 12/08/2010 3:44:02 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Natural Law; RnMomof7

Except that works don’t save anyone.

The pharisees kept the Law meticulously and yet Jesus said about them,.....

Matthew 5:20 “For I tell you, unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.”


1,634 posted on 12/08/2010 3:50:59 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Ann Archy; Alex Murphy

I’d like to see that


1,635 posted on 12/08/2010 3:50:59 PM PST by 1000 silverlings (everything that deceives, also enchants: Plato)
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To: Ann Archy
Could you answer something seriously please? What is your religion and have you been taught what Catholics believe in that religion? Or do you just concentrate on your own religion?

Ann, you and I have exchanged numerous posts on the subject of Catholicism since at least 2003. I have to ask - what led you to finally ask what I believe?

1,636 posted on 12/08/2010 3:55:53 PM PST by Alex Murphy ("Posting news feeds, making eyes bleed, he's hated on seven continents")
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To: maryz

Add to it that my own legs be healed. The past year to year and a half my legs have started twisting on me. It’s likely arthritis caused from my walking off balance all my life due to sensory issues. That and I was born club footed. I walk with the aid of a cane now as my balance is poor and leg strength is deminishing. Thank GOD it’s not hit my shoulders and arms from which is use the most to lift with. My legs & feet are more crooked and twisted now than a politican LOL.


1,637 posted on 12/08/2010 3:59:53 PM PST by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: Alex Murphy

I asked you a question? What is it with you Protestants that you cannot answer that question?? Really....have you EVER known a Catholic that wouldn’t answer what religion they were??


1,638 posted on 12/08/2010 4:00:50 PM PST by Ann Archy (Abortion......the Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: metmom
It's disingenuous to demand proof for something, knowing that it's not available.

If the proof is not available, then what business does anyone have quoting numbers of pulled posts? Unless they have some other way of knowing, that the rest of us don't have.

1,639 posted on 12/08/2010 4:06:24 PM PST by Judith Anne (Holy Mary, Mother of God, please pray for us sinners now, and at the hour of our death.)
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To: Ann Archy
The gospel is the “Good Word”...the words of Jesus!

What does that mean? (BTW I think you mean "good News" )..but that translates gospel..what is the good news? what is the gospel ?

1,640 posted on 12/08/2010 4:07:30 PM PST by RnMomof7 (Gal 4:16 asks "Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?")
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