Posted on 12/05/2010 6:14:57 PM PST by RnMomof7
As many as there are unsaved people
LOL! Good one! :)
If it were on another thread, I’d provide a link. Since it’s on this thread, start at the beginning and scroll through. You’ll see them.
One poster in particular claimed that had Mary not remained a virgin after the birth of Jesus, he would have been no better than Heracles.
And most Lutheran Bibles outside of the US have the Apocrypha included. They just are not treated with the same weight.
Inside the US, they were changed during WWI. But that is a different topic.
Do you have a source other than yourself for this assertion?
what is the gospel?
That is not meant to be funny... it is meant as a truth...
Merry Christmas.
Source ???
The gospel is the “Good Word”...the words of Jesus!
No, she is in Phoenix...her mom and dad who taught her this stuff came from West Virginia.
If you go to Mass every day for 3 years, you will get MOST of the Bible read in the Epistles and the Gospels.
Hope this helps.
So you accept the OPC as Christian brethern since they believe in the true presence?
It was post 884. I think it was phrased a bit elliptically, but the last thing it does is argue that the Perpetual Virginity caused the Divinity of Christ -- quite the opposite. And classical references can be more startling than enlightening in a post-first or -second century world!
I know. I read the NIV myself along with a couple more translations when I do have the mental abilities to read. Newer translations are easier for me and allow me more time reading.
OK for your answer. What is the nature of Lucifer? What has he done since time of earth? Deception and even worse trying to copy Jesus Christ. Reading of scripture shows this will continue even until the end times as Satan himself will even try to copy the resurrection. I've read three translations of that verse. Let me ask you something? What do you think the verse shows? For the answer go to Revelation ch 22
16“I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you this message for the churches. I am both the source of David and the heir to his throne.£ I am the bright morning star.”
Isaiah is calling Lucifer a fraud in that passage in chapter 14. In Revelation Christ says which is which. He is the BRIGHT morning star. Reading either the KJV or the NIV verses might have one come to a wrong conclusion about the verse in question. But understanding the nature of Lucifer exposes it. It really doesn't take understanding ancient word origins. It takes prayer for guidance and understanding. Thus Matthew Ch 16
17Jesus replied, “You are blessed, Simon son of John,£ because my Father in heaven has revealed this to you. You did not learn this from any human being. 18Now I say to you that you are Peter,£ and upon this rock I will build my church, and all the powers of hell£ will not conquer it. 19And I will give you the keys of the Kingdom of Heaven. Whatever you lock on earth will be locked in heaven, and whatever you open on earth will be opened in heaven.”
The Church is within your heart and soul. Your Body is a Temple. A spirit filled Christian in relation to scripture is not very easily mislead and any misleading usually is not for long. As with The Disciple so it is with us The Holy Spirit gives correction and truth. It doesn't mean we may not get scriptural meaning wrong at times. I've read passages all my life then read it and WHAM! I see something I never realized before.
A believer is like a Baby dependent upon parent for Bread of Life. GOD starts you off on milk meaning a basic understanding of The Gospel and salvation. From their each child grows different and is given different talents and dispositions and for that matter different spiritual gifts. Just as with children growing up they will go through their trials and adversities into more maturity.
I want to share something with you. How can GOD's Grace and power work? About 15 years ago I began to loose my abilities to read and concentrate while doing so. My concentration window sometimes per day can be 15 minutes. You might be able to pray for an hour. I struggle to pray two minutes and maintain my concentration. It is a problem beyond my control. The one place where I can pray and do it where I can say what is on my heart is walking a quiet river bank near my home. Oh but when I can't pray The Spirit does it for me.
Your replies may take you a minute on a keyboard. Mine may take two hours for it to all come together. I can't at times have a complete conversation with loved ones without loosing train of thought but when it comes to The Gospel I can through GOD do so. I do admit to one thing. I do have a computer program which lets me pull up verses. But I remember the passages I want to pull up. I remember them. Why? How? Because GOD wrote them in my heart and not because of my own abilities.
An organized church? Outside of my daughters wedding I haven't been in 15 years. My now departed Preacher whom I enjoyed listening to his sermons would now have me seizuring so violently I would be a disruption to any service in about any church. I'm half deaf as well. I use hearing aids but they often trigger my other condition for which medical science has no name. Am I doing what GOD asked of me? Hard question. GOD asked of me 25 years ago and I in faith obeyed. An act some churches like the RC may have seen as sin. But a response to a situation that held no easy answers. A situation that three persons lives needed intervention then and there. A very grave situation thrown in my own and then girlfriends face to deal with. What gave me the faith to act? The Holy Spirit. I tried to run from it. GOD convicted me. A Nun set me straight actually. I'm Missionary Baptist BTW.
Only GOD knows us, our hearts, and our futures. GOD did a miracle in mine. Two persons united in marriage before GOD dependendent on GOD and each other to get through the day. My issues did not take my physical strength. Thank GOD because I need it. My wife needs it. Without it she can't get from the bed to the wheelchair she was put in 25 years ago. Thank GOD her brain is intact and her concentration is good. She can remind me where the van keys are or to take our medication or to pay the bills. GOD knew what he was doing 25 years ago when I said my final good bye to my first wife and He called her home. He knew what hHe was doing when a few months later I met a divorced and abandoned woman raising two kids alone and we becamew good friends and a mutual love developed from it. A love that through GOD's strength and Grace has endured more trails and adversities than I can begin to post about.
What if a preacher or a Priest had said No you can not marry because her husband is living? Her husband walked out two years prior to take a kid to his bed. He abandoned his family to survive on their own. Yet one church I know of prohibits marriage if the husband is a quadriplegic. THAT IS WRONG!!! It is not a doctorine of Christ and love it is a mans doctorine of CONTROL!! GOD CAN PRODUCE MAN'S OFF SPRING if He sees the need. Let them marry and bless them. I speak as one who knows the ins and out aof this very issue. I am a man hapilly married to a quadriplegic wife for 25 years. I thank GOD for my wife. No I don't cheat which is one of that churches weak reasonings for prohibition of such. Sarah became pregnant at an old age. If GOD intends for a Quadriplegic husband to father a child it will happen in spite of them or any church leaders saying otherwise.
Even though Christ found me when I was lost at about age 12 it took time for some changes in me to happen. About 18 years ago I guess maybe 20 an urgency was placed on my heart to read scripture. Not the usual nightly reading many do but chapters a day. An urgency and thirst for knowledge that lasted several years till this affliction struck me. I can recall passages I read and think on them now.
When a subject comes up I can recall the relevant passage and use the computer program via key words to find them. Yet I can not do hardly anything needs doing except by the Grace of GOD. Yea every once in a while He gives me the physical energy to even clean the house as this affliction robs me of physical endurance as well.
So folks please excuse my grammar errors as I can not detect them easily. Spell check helps somewhat. My sensory processing system is shot. It may also mean an incomplete sentence form time to time. What I know and what I understand has been what has been given to me from GOD. Tomorrow GOD may give me more understanding, correction, or I may loose all that I have. But that is tomorrow. This is today. My soul is safe with GOD the gates of hell can not prevail. I'm now at the ripe old age of 53 and have a lot more to learn.
I’ll keep you and your wife in my prayers.
Another poster claimed that denying the perpetual virginity was “dissing Jeusus’ mom.”
I think “dissing” is in the eye of the beholder. Just MHO.
Struth'
;-)
One young Airman accused me of "dissing" her when I told her to cut out the personal telephone calls and get to work. She's a civilian, now.
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