Posted on 10/08/2010 7:08:12 AM PDT by Alex Murphy
Which one? You mean the ones who belong to denominations which signed on for the Religious Coalition for Reproductive Choice? I think you mean evangelical Christians voted pro life.
Of course we care. That is why so many orthodox Catholics take very seriously the call to end abortion. We also take seriously the teaching of the true faith. We know that the enemy is within the walls and trying to destroy the Church. We know he will fail but many will be lost in the battle. What makes it more horrifying is that it is salvation that is lost when one embraces doctrines of the devil. So yes we care.
Nonsense, they most certainly do, just like Catholics that drift away from attending church. Besides, the "Protestant" vote is almost never broken down by denomination, they just lump all the non Catholic Christians into Protestant, whether they are Jim Wright's church, the church of lesbian ministers, Baptist, Episcopalian, or doesn't attend church at all but is still a non Catholic christian.
From the GetReligion article Those consistently complex “Catholic voters”:
...let me once again share the four-pronged typology that a veteran priest here in Washington, D.C., gave me a few years ago. There are, he said, four kinds of Catholics in this country and, thus, four “Catholic votes” on almost any issue. Any news report that lumps these groups together isn’t worth very much.Related threads:* Ex-Catholics. Solid for the Democrats. Cultural conservatives have no chance.
* Cultural Catholics who may go to church a few times a year. This may be one of those all-important “undecided voters” depending on what’s happening with the economy, foreign policy, etc. Leans to Democrats.
* Sunday-morning American Catholics. This voter is a regular in the pew and may even play some leadership role in the parish. This is the Catholic voter that is really up for grabs, the true swing voter that the candidates are after.
* The “sweats the details” Roman Catholic who goes to confession. Is active in the full sacramental life of the parish and almost always backs the Vatican, when it comes to matters of faith and practice. This is a very small slice of the American Catholic pie.
No, I meant what I said, the Protestant vote always goes Republican, except in 1932, 1936, and 1964. It always go pro life republican since Roe v Wade.
I’m sorry that you appear to be stuck on your anti-Catholicism.
The bishops were slow to act, but plenty of Catholics were at the first March for Life in Washington, and they have been active ever since.
As I said, I have a number of Evangelical friends, and during the early years after Roe v. Wade they were NOT involved in pro-life activities. They came around later than pro-life Catholics, who first led the movement.
It’s too bad that you have such an attitude, because we all need to work together on this.
If Catholics care, then they need to stop voting pro abortion Democrat.
Interesting. The Religion Forum has a few "I used to be Catholic till I saw the light" posters on it, I'm not surprised to hear that according to your quote, they're liberals.
“The “sweats the details” Roman Catholic who goes to confession. Is active in the full sacramental life of the parish and almost always backs the Vatican, when it comes to matters of faith and practice. This is a very small slice of the American Catholic pie.”
I don’t doubt that at all. In a celebrity culture how in the world can we expect people to follow the hard teachings of Christ when His farewell performance was such a downer?
(Please note that was a sarcastic remark about our culture. I know that Jesus’ death on the Cross was victory over death and was the greatest Love this world has known.)
Don’t start with personal attacks.
When Catholics start voting like Protestants, then abortion ends.
Republican and Democrat party affiliation meant completely different things than as now.
Besides, I am not addressing party affiliation, I am addressing family values.
I very, very seriously doubt that. Can you give me the stats for Episcopalian, Methodist, Lutheran (not Missouri Synond), Church of Christ and American Baptist. You wrote yourself that Protestants are always grouped together.
You asked about conservative ( I prefer the term orthodox) Catholics. Yet now you make it a general statement about all who self identify as Catholics. That is a dishonest tactic.
Also it is only recently that being Republican pretty much meant you were pro life or that being Democrat meant you were pro abortion. At one time Pro life democrats were not the rare species they are today. You also had pro abortion Republicans. So to say the vote division between Democrat and Republican as also been a pro life, pro abortion divide is false.
“* Ex-Catholics. Solid for the Democrats. Cultural conservatives have no chance.”
That would not include the Catholics that move to more conservative christian churches.
“Latino Catholics and those without religion are most likely to prefer the Democratic Party, while the non-Catholic [Hispanic] Christians prefer the Republican Party.
“Whereas Latino immigrants are contributing significantly to the stability of American Catholicism, the younger generation and the U.S.-born population are tending to polarize between those moving away from religion and those moving towards conservative Christian traditions,” summarized Trinity professor Barry A. Kosmin”
Actually it has been clear for at least a couple of generations, even in the 1960s it was a cause of the left and the Democrats, but especially since 1973 when the lines were clearly drawn, it was sure a big deal with Clinton's two elections, and Al Gore, and this last one with Obama, none of those won the Protestant vote, and none of those lost the Catholic vote.
I didn’t start it.
People feel like if they don't condone something, than they are being mean and cruel. But if you condone something that you know will surely lead them down the road to hell, you are being mean and cruel.
People don't like it when you tell them that they are wrong. It's human nature. But sometimes, as hard as it may be, you just have to take that stand for that persons well being.
When a Catholic says that they are against gay marriage or being an active homosexual, it is interpreted as hate. It is the direct opposite. We simply do not want anybody to be condemned. It is out of love that we are against it, not hate.
I have people that are homosexuals in my own family. I love them dearly. I still cannot condone their behavior. I do not envy the cross that they have to bare, but we all have our crosses. Some are heavier than others. We can either choose to take on the full weight of the cross, or toss it to the side. Either way, the choice is ours.
HuH? Since they are all grouped together as Protestant, how would I pull out numbers by denomination?
You certainly did, and I hope that you do not continue the personal attacks, an apology would have been preferred, but just discontinuing to try and personalize your posts to me would suffice.
No they didn't, people knew that FDR was liberal, that is why Protestants corrected themselves so quickly, and went back to Republican.
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