Intended Catholic Dictatorship

Independent Individualist ^ | 8/27/10 | Reginald Firehammer

[kosta50]

They realized what unites the Christian is faith in Christ

Does that include the LDS and the JW?

What separates Rome from Christianity is, well Rome. The same Rome that schmoozes with Muslims calls us heretics

By your definition, as long as they have faith in Christ they are united with the rest of Christians. So, which is it?

[RnMomof7]

So the question is, What should a good Protestant be like... or even who?

I do not know about protestants in general, but the saved Protestant should be celebrating the work of Christ to satisfy the wrath of God against us , to save us and give us a clean conscience

How should the saved act? Like ones freed from the condemnation of the law, that are free to live out and celebrate the plan of God He has ordained for us.. not out of fear, but out of sheer joy !

[OLD REGGIE]

Agatho thereby provided the tacit basis for the condemnation of Honorius on these grounds: that by neglecting to preach the truth, Honorius left the Lord's flock exposed to ravaging wolves, as indeed the monothelite Eastern Patriarchs were and under whom the faithful suffered for many years.

I it is generally expected that when entire passages are "lifted" proper attribution is given. In any event the following Apologetics article presents an unofficial view.

CATHOLIC CULTURE.ORG - Guilty Only of Failure To Teach

Of course Honorius was found guilty of Heresy and excommunicated by the "Infallible" Sixth Ecumenical Council.

[1000 silverlings]

Are Catholics freed from the condemnation of the Law?

[RnMomof7]

Are Catholics freed from the condemnation of the Law?

Only those that have repented and come in faith to Christ, and trusted Him for their salvation are free from the Law..

The Catholic church returned to the OT for salvation by the law and works and sacrifices..

[1000 silverlings]

So those who deliberately choose to live under a Law, must keep it in it's entirety or risk being lost. They run for a prize that's already been awarded. Plus they run futilely as no one in the history of mankind has ever kept the Law. Or was Jesus wrong

[OLD REGGIE]

The council's judgment is consistent with Agatho's letter.

It made a distinction between the fault of Sergius and Cyrus on the one hand and that of Honorius on the other. A reading of the condemnation reveals Honorius is neither grouped with nor shares the same fault of those "whose doctrines" were execrated—i.e., Sergius, Cyrus, etc.

While Honorius is anathematized "with them"—that is, sharing a similar punishment—it is not because of any doctrine attributable to him. Honorius is condemned because of what the council "found written by him to Sergius;" in which letters Honorius "followed his [Sergius's] view" about keeping silent and thus "confirmed his [Sergius's] impious doctrines" (Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers, 343).

Ho Hum CatholicCulture.org again

[OLD REGGIE]

Likewise, Pope Leo II (682-683) faulted Honorius because he "did not endeavor to preserve" the faith and for having "permitted" it to be assaulted, but not for having either invented, taught, or adhered to the heretical doctrine (Paul Bottalla, S.J., Pope Honorius Before the Tribunal of Reason and History, 111-112). Elsewhere, Leo blames "Honorius, who did not, as became the apostolic authority, extinguish the flame of heretical teaching in its first beginning, but fostered it by his negligence" (Leonis II ad Episcopos Hispanie in the Catholic Encyclopedia, 7:455; emphasis added). In sum, Honorius failed to teach.

HMMM - One more time - CatholicCulture.org again

[OLD REGGIE]

Re: Honorius.

I am tired of this cut and paste merry go round.

When you have some Official Catholic Church information let me know.

[Natural Law]

"I have no doubt that you will make up something personal about me concerning that."

I have long wondered at the insistence that we refrain from using the "L" word in the religion forum when no other word satisfies the situation. A lie (also called prevarication, falsehood) is a known untruth expressed as truth.

The benefit of the doubt can be extended when one initially presents a falsehood because the argument can be made that it is not known to be an untruth. However, when the error has been addressed and corrected all subsequent tellings are indeed lies and those perpetuating the now known untruth are liars. This does not mean that we presume motive. That is irrelevant. Rules that we not recognize and acknowledge this require that we participate in the lie.

There are at least a dozen thematic lies told about the Catholic Church, its history, dogma and clergy told by an equal number of liars. It would be very easy to compile a listing of both. Forum rules require this too remain unspoken. One has to question the legitimacy if not the sanity of a forum that in effect values the lie above the truth and protects the liar above those that simply recognize the lie.

Qui Bono? Certainly not God, civility, the truth or Free Republic.

[OLD REGGIE]

What about in the Unitarian group — your group takes in Wiccans, Atheists, etc. right?

What about in the Unitarian group — your group takes in Wiccans, Atheists, Catholics, etc. right?

Yes.

[RnMomof7]

So those who deliberately choose to live under a Law, must keep it in it's entirety or risk being lost. They run for a prize that's already been awarded. Plus they run futilely as no one in the history of mankind has ever kept the Law. Or was Jesus wrong

Jam 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one [point], he is guilty of all.

This is most stirring of scripture on that..if you lie, you will be judged as a murderer. That is why Jesus came to free us from the burden of the Law, by keeping it perfectly for us..

Gal 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed [is] every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

[OLD REGGIE]

I shall now hold that against you and make it a reference point for numerous future posts. :-)

Fine with me. Add "senile" if you wish. (I can accept almost any insult from another old timer.) :-)

[OLD REGGIE]

Can we let it go now?

I'm not the one who is keeping the subject open.

[MarkBsnr]

Then I'm afraid you are sorely lacking in MDRI.

Matthew 14:27 :)

[OLD REGGIE]

And, OR, I am not in the habit of engaging with you, so I will return to my silence where you are concerned. I have no doubt that you will make up something personal about me concerning that.

I can't help myself you sweet thing.

[MarkBsnr]

Cross eyed.

Not according to my last physical.

[1000 silverlings]

reminds me of Sisyphus, roll that boulder up to one Sunday and by the next it’s rolled downhill

[OLD REGGIE]

More baloney from the bologna factory

That's what I call bringing something meaningful to the table/s.

A claim which begins with "All Protestants" is necessarily boloney.

But since I have your attention, could you please tell me how can a "saved" Protestant lose his salvation.

I don't answer stupid questions.

[1000 silverlings]

If one doesn't trust in Christ to save him, I wonder that he can claim to be, or even think of himself, as a Christian. After all, a Christian believes that Christ is who he says he is, and will do what he says he will do.

Someone intent on keeping a system of law is basically an unbeliever, which is why it's so much easier I guess to have all the other helpers, the church, their own works, Mary, the so called saints, angels, the pope, the magisterium all jumping into the drowning zone with him