Posted on 08/27/2010 11:45:13 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief
I may have missed it, but I don't recall him expressing a disagreement with Islam. I do remember the kissing the koran. Kinda shows how important symbolism is doesn't it?
You know, Dante has Mohammad in the circle of heretics eternally tortured. It’s hard for me to imagine that this is not known in the lands which moan under their abominable yoke.
All the more reason to preach Christ Crucified not kiss a koran.
Obviously if he did he wouldn't be invited back, nor would any other popes for a long time. As another RC posted he was human and made a mistake. Maybe the same thing should be said about his fascination with Mary, he was human and made a mistake.
I've supported every one of my posts with Scripture.
You, not so much.
And it isn't just "my Scripture." It's yours, too. Read it.
Good points.
ABSOLUTELY INDEED.
HE MADE THAT ABUNDANTLY CLEAR WITH THE:
HE WHO DOES THE WILL OF THE FATHER IS MY MOTHER, BROTHER . . .
Catholics have it backwards: the earth and everything in it, including humble Jewish girls, were created by Christ. Mary did not create Christ. She is nothing more than a human vehicle to give him humanity, andbeing God, he really didn't even have to do it that way if he chose no to.
He is eternal, he was begotten before creation, before the Plan of Salvation.
to make Mary into the Roman invention, she must have titles and a new theology invented.She must also be pre-existent, the reason for creation, etc. etc., the firstborn of every creature, the fused soul with the Holy Spirit. This makes her superior to everyone but God the Father, and she is pretty much equal to Him from what I can determine. His love and pathos is ignored,even though it is revealed to mankind in the scriptures, but her supposed love of mankind, which is the invention of Rome and of men, has become the new focal point.
amen... just as a priesthood is not scriptural, just as a celibate pastorate is not scriptural ...I could go on..but you already get it :)
And so then, if she is all those high faluting things Rome says she is, then she was never human in the first place and they are denying Christ’s humanity, which leads to a whole nother can of worms, not necessarily the diet of
We are created in God’s image, more than “flesh”.
And flesh and spirit and in the spirit, etc. etc. speak of our choices, our believing in Christ, our love, our response to God’s grace and love, which Jesus teaches us is perfect causing the rain to fall and the sun to shine on the just and unjust alike.
A far cry from Calvin’s doomed in the womb.
And, if you can’t see the scriptural references in my posts, so be it.
Proof texting is of little value and Calvinism, as I said, shows the extreme errors about God possible using sola scriptura.
You miss the forest for the trees. Jesus’s whole ministry refutes Calvin. Our everyday experience refutes “the illusion of free will.” No amount of proof texting can overcome that.
lol, lol, no it proves Calvin. It's called the Plan of Salvation
No. :)
Local Councils are binding to local Churches.The Council of Carthage was binding to the Western (Latin) Church because it was accepted by the Bishop of Rome (Patriarch of the West). Thus the canon was set in the West by the 5th century. The Council of Trent merely reiterated the canon of the Council of Carthage centuries later.
Well put.
the Plan of Salvation
Yeah. It's all over before you're born - you're born lucky or you burn. Great plan - if you're a pagan.
Lemme guess: you were born lucky.
A Church father does not get to overrule the Consensus Patrum or the Magisterium,they humbly submit to the Church even if they have other thoughts. They don't run off and pridefully start a new religion like protestantism
For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him.
Jhn 6:28 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?
Jhn 6:29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.
Jhn 6:36 But I said unto you, That ye also have seen me, and believe not.
Jhn 6:37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.
Jhn 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
Jhn 6:45 It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.
It is Divine power of God overcoming the innate enmity of man to God which make him WILLING to come, because by nature all men are unwilling to come.
"Thy people shall be willing in the day of YOUR POWER( ps 110)
No, I have a problem with your view of Jesus loving little children, calling them to Him, while creating some of them solely for hellfire tinder.
Well read the bible, only a remnant is ever saved.
None of which proves totally depraved, double predestination or irresistible grace.
I read the Bible. All of it.
Calvin was a lawyer who uses verses to build a great case - for a guilty god.
God created Adam and Eve with free will. The Fall changed things. Radically.
Unless a man has been reborn by the Holy Spirit, that man will always and only choose poorly.
I'll defend to the bitter end salvation through Christ alone apart from works, the security of the believer, that man cannot come to God unless drawn by the work of the Holy Spirit in his life, and that God is sovereign, but just cannot defend the kind of predestination which makes us mere puppets and God capricious.
What you have first described is what Calvinists believe.
If man did not have free will, God would not be constantly challenging us to choose.
God tells us to do a lot of things He knows we can't do unless and until the Holy Spirit regenerates our wills and mind to know the things of God, to repent and believe.
Have you ever read "Bondage of the Will" by Luther?
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