Posted on 08/27/2010 11:45:13 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief
My youngest daughter is pushing 13. My oldest daughter is about 4 weeks away from giving birth to our third grandchild, since our second was born last week...
Logic and reason are good as far as they go, but they cannot reach up to heaven. That is why we need God in his grace to reach down. And since I know how imperfect all logic and reason is, and particularly my own, I understand that while I am a Baptist who believes much of Catholic theology is wrong, it is also possible that I am the one who is wrong.
If I remember that I may well be the one who is wrong, then I am less likely to insist God work with all His servants to bring them in line with me!
I dont know, looks like an awful little girl to be on a green horse
It's not Calvin's limited atonement. It's Christ's . If Christ died for a man, and paid for his sins, that man has been saved. It's not that difficult to understand. Not one drop of Christ's blood was wasted. It atoned for every sin God wished it to atone for.
And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were apppointed." -- 1 Peter 2:7-8"Unto you therefore which believe he is precious: but unto them which be disobedient, the stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner,
If God wanted all men to be saved, all men would be saved.
Yep. That's what they figure purgatory is for. All those who will be saved, but who have not yet joined Rome, will be "influenced" in purgatory to change their minds and kiss the pope's ring.
Magick requires a multitude of props.
Christians accept the LXX O.T that comes through the Church and don’t accept the Council of Jamnia that denied the Divinity of Christ
I suggest reading this..
http://www.columbia.edu/cu/augustine/arch/sbrandt/canon.htm
lol. Keep trying. 8~)
And your corollary is: God wants some men to go to hell - nothing personal, mind you, just for His pleasure.
A hateful god indeed.
and I suggest you read the OT in the original Hebrew
No one is misquoting anything. We're disagreeing about the conclusions drawn from those texts.
RC apologists would like nothing better than to stage their debate alone, without an opposing point of view.
It's called "good catechizing."
Really. But what of your post:
Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved.
I foresee your answer will remove man and free will from the equation. Still, the choice of reply is yours to make.
Hey, it's your word. You're the one who constantly flings the accusation around this forum. It's in the majority of your posts.
This might help tone down your rhetoric...
And the Councils of Hippo and Carthage were.........local Councils. The "approved" Catholic Bible Canon was set at the Council of Trent. Agreed?
No, since Scripture tells us anything not of faith is sin.
Only the man who has been reborn by the Holy Spirit can repent, obey and believe in Jesus Christ.
And the rebirth from natural man to spiritual man is accomplished by God according to His determinate will, and not because we will it. Read your Bible.
That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again." -- John 3:5-7"Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
How and why are men born again?
By the Holy Spirit, according to the will and purpose of God.
So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy." -- Romans 9:15-16"For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.
If so, does that make God "hateful?"
lol. I see. Another Roman Catholic who knows better than the church fathers.
On this, I'll trust Augustine.
Men get what they choose tempered with God's mercy at their judgement. Unlike the Calvinist view, God does not want them to go to hell, does not create them such that they are doomed to hell. Catholics do not believe in Limited Atonement or Double Predestination or Totally Depraved or Irresistible Grace or..
We can do nothing without God’s grace.
None of these scripture necessarily result in Calvinism. And if you make them such, you end up with a god quite foreign to Christian love.
Calvin's view of "natural man" is perverted.
And yet He sends some to eternal torment anyway.
Why doesn’t God give all men enough grace to save them, if that’s what He really wants?
You said it didn’t take much effort on God”s part to get your attention, but it took a considerable amount yo get Paul’s.
Is there a point where God stops making the effort, stops giving His grace? When a man denies Him once? Six times? 200?
Calvin's view of the natural man is founded on Scripture. Read your Bible.
For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God." -- Romans 8:5-8 "For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
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