I'll join right in.
Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.
Posted on 08/27/2010 11:45:13 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief
agreed, How about this, What if your most correct interpretation is false?
I'll join right in.
Oh, and was it an oversight when you converted my "...cup has been offered for a few, in terms of Church history, years." to "few years" (several decades)?
Church history is not counted in decades is it?
Again, a contradiction - can't be both.
Sorry, it’s not THAT huge a deal at this point. The moment has passed. LOL.
Mostly just jerk-faces being jerk-faces more than usual.
I just really hated to see it involve such an excellent American disabled Veteran who’s such a historic person in all the UFO stuff. Claiming he didn’t exist really pushed my buttons.
I'm afraid you are wasting your time. This has been explained several times but the same agitators insist on throwing their spitwads.
I agree that this is the standard Amill interpretation
Spiritual Israel, not secular Israel, and there were always two, like there is today, and not Mary,--- it is the church in the wilderness, Acts 7:38
You would just have to say the interpretation is false.
And again, looking at the scripture, it seems to me that Mary, Christ and the Body of Christ are what’s being referred to. It’s actually one of the more clear portions of Revelations. There’s a lot, a whole lot, of the rest that you can read all kinds of things into. This part, however, clearly refers to Mary, Christ and the body of Christ.
woman, in painful labor, gave birth to a son who ascended to his throne, the remnants of her seed have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Mary, Jesus, Body of Christ.
Since the Body of Christ is the Church, you can use typology, and Paul, to bring Israel into it, but the woman who gave birth to a Son who ascended to heaven.. is obviously Mary.
OK Agreed again,
What if your interpretation is false, Is your mind free and open enough to hear the still small voice of God reveal the truth primarily through his Holy Word?
The Church did not give birth to Christ, the Church was instituted by Christ.
Where the heck do you think I'm coming from?
But Revelations is not for just anyone. As you well know a great many have come up with a great many fanciful tales, often taking others into darkness with them - all while thinking they heard the voice of God.
I'm a bit more careful.
Plus governments are big on disinformation to conceal the truth. To tell a really big lie they tell a little truth with it. One of “the sightings” is pretty well believed to be the lunar landing thing— it was described by eyewitnesses and left 3 pod tracks in the sand. If they can make everybody believe only kooks see UFOs, then they pretty much squelch reports.
What about a group that fuses Mary permanently to the Holy Spirit and says that she is the door to Christ? That's 4 not 3, so that isn't Trinitarian either
Your presented position here is amill and replacement theology, not necessarily unchristian in today's world but limiting to the possibilities especially with regard to end time events IMHO. I used to be amill and RT also.
I’ll put it another way. I have researched the scripture under discussion, read and checked the references, possible symbology, the expert opinion for and against, etc.; I feel confident in my conclusions - which are far from original.
In doing so, I can easily see the difficulty of the whole book. It takes a great deal of knowledge to attempt a complete interpretation and even those who have it, disagree. It’s apocalyptic writing - not journalism.
No amateur or dilettante is going to have credibility with me. Sitting down with it and free-associating, listening for the still small voice...
It may convince you of your result, but not me.
Well if you go back and read that book that Quix posted it appears that she does
All I attempted to present her is that Mary, Christ and Body of Christ are solid interpretations, among the most solid possible with a book like Revelations. And with Revelations, anything solid is very helpful with the less solid.
Whatever conclusions flow, flow.
The Church is very clear in teaching The Most Holy Trinity, and it doesn’t include Mary.
If you keep in mind the Incarnation, how and what occurred, then much of the other will become clearer to you.
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