Christians examine morality of birth control [Ecumenical/Orthodox Presbyterian]

Thank you for linking me to this post concerning my question about the moral distinction between barrier contraceptives and NFP. For the benefit of the ping list, your position is that barrier contraceptives are always illicit, but NFP can be either licit or not, depending on the circumstances.

...... On the other hand, I could rob a bank and get enough money to feed my family for a whole year. That is an illicit way of achieving a licit good thing. The same is true for child spacing. If my children would literally starve if my wife were to get pregnant, it is morally licit to space children until I could afford to feed them. NFP would be a morally licit way to achieve this necessity.

While I agree that bank robbery is an illicit means to a licit end, I must respectfully disagree that this is analogous to NFP. It is my understanding that Catholics believe that our children are all direct gifts from God. He will bless each couple with as many children as He sees fit. If true, (it's my belief too) then one could not suppose that the next child would starve if had at a certain time because it is God's decision. In addition, it is God who provides for us, so I would think that proactively choosing to prevent conception based on the presumption that God WILL NOT provide would be in the same category as using a barrier contraceptive according to this moral argument.

4 main reasons for having recourse to NFP. ......

Again, as I read all four of these they all have in common a presumption that God will or will not do something completely within His providence. I don't see how these arguments can be made if one believes that God is sovereign as to the manner and number of lives He brings into this world.

You probably know this, though, or you wouldn't have cleverly substituted the nebulously defined protestant subset of "evangelical" for the more objective "protestant" delineation. You've just lost any credibility you may have hoped to convince us of. The term "Evangelical" is a subset of Protestant. Not the other way around.

You are looking even more desperate! As a former evangelical protestant myself, I fully understand the difference as well as your duplicity in trying to substitute them. Your pathetic attempt to to deflect from your earlier deception falls flat.

There are more Protestants than Evangelicals.

Now you are being even more deceptive! Your statement above compares the number of protestants and evangelicals when you yourself said above that the "term "Evangelical" is a subset of Protestant". How could there possibly not be more protestants than evangelicals? You are embarrassing yourself.

And there are more Evangelicals than Roman Catholics. Therefore there are MANY more Protestants than Roman Catholics.

Really? There are more than a billion evangelicals?! You are delusional!

You lose.

Ha!!! Seriously, this has been fun! It is clear to any objective reader of this thread that you are way over your head here. You haven't responded to the vast majority of my points while I have provided a point by point rebuttal to everything you have written to me up to now. I'll now allow let you post the last word on this thread and then slink away to your lonely and forlorn "Church of Barrier Contraception".

Just allow me to first add that I think that you are far too smart to really believe the absurd position you have put forth here. Based on your presumed opposition to medicinal contraception, I think that deep down you might realize that the Catholic Church is the only religion that is correct on this issue. I realize that you probably can't let yourself admit it now because you are too afraid of what the implications of this would mean to your other long held convictions. I will pray that God gives you the grace to honestly search for His answer.

"term "Evangelical" is a subset of Protestant". How could there possibly not be more protestants than evangelicals?

I think you need to read your comments over again slowly and perhaps you'll see your error. If Evangelical is a subset of Protestants, the number of Protestants is greater than the number of Evangelicals.

Young boys are a subset of human beings. Therefore there are more human beings than young boys.

Really? There are more than a billion evangelicals?! You are delusional!

Apparently you didn't bother to read the links I gave you. I said there were more evangelicals than RC in this country. Are you mentioning (bogus) worldwide one billion RCs to deflect your discomfort at the fact the RCC is dwindling in this country, or was this just another clumsy attempt to win an argument through falsehood?

DR.E's LINK: ((Evangelical Protestants now outnumber Catholics)
Evangelical Christianity has become the largest religious tradition in this country, supplanting Roman Catholicism, which is slowly bleeding members, according to a survey released yesterday by the Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life...

I think that deep down you might realize that the Catholic Church is the only religion that is correct on this issue. I realize that you probably can't let yourself admit it now because you are too afraid of what the implications of this would mean to your other long held convictions.

No, your "mind-reading" is not only against the rules of the FR RF, but it is more delusional thinking on the part of those who follow a "co-redeemer" and "another Christ."

Repent.

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