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Two Revolutions, Two Views of Man
Conservative Underground | July 6, 2010 | Jean F. Drew

Posted on 07/25/2010 1:37:12 PM PDT by betty boop

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To: kosta50; betty boop; TXnMA; Quix; Texas Songwriter; YHAOS
me: God's opinion is the only one that counts

you: And what is his opinion?

I should have used a better word than "opinion" because God alone knows and speaks objective truth. Indeed, a thing is true because He says it, e.g. "Let there be light..."

God's word as it concerns time and Who He IS is revealed by His declared Name, I AM.

And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you. – Exodus 3:14

Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am. - John 8:58

As soon then as he had said unto them, I am [he], they went backward, and fell to the ground. – John 18:6

Remember the former things of old: for I [am] God, and [there is] none else; [I am] God, and [there is] none like me, Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times [the things] that are not [yet] done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure: - Isaiah 46:9-10

I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty. - Revelation 1:8

I explain this by saying that time is part of the Creation and not a property of or restriction on the Creator of it.

The Creator is the first cause and the final cause. His Name is I AM Alpha and Omega. He is the Creator ex nihilo.

Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear. - Hebrews 11:3

Based on our previous discussions, I fully expect you to deny His Name I AM and further to say that I am reading things into those passages.

Frankly, kosta50, I don’t care what you think but if you wish to post your denials, go right ahead.

My testimony is that God is not a hypothesis. He lives. His Name is I AM. I’ve known Him for a half century and counting.

By the way, “The Lord” is the translation of the Hebrew YHvH which means “He IS.”

Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and [that] no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost. –I Corinthians 12:3

Because he hath set his love upon me, therefore will I deliver him: I will set him on high, because he hath known my name. – Psalms 91:4

To God be the glory, not man, never man.

821 posted on 09/30/2010 9:04:11 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Alamo-Girl
Frankly, kosta50, I don’t care what you think but if you wish to post your denials, go right ahead.

You said "God's opinion" and I asked you what is his opinion. I thought it strange that someone like you (based on your previous posts) would make such a statement. That's all. There was no denial of any type in that question.

By the way, “The Lord” is the translation of the Hebrew YHvH which means “He IS.”

No, it means the Existence, just as the Greek equivalent ΟΩΝ. There is no gender or person in it.

822 posted on 09/30/2010 11:29:45 AM PDT by kosta50 (God is tired of repenting -- Jeremiah 15:6, KJV)
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823 posted on 10/01/2010 6:44:03 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Democratic Underground... matters are worse, as their latest fund drive has come up short...)
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To: kosta50; betty boop; TXnMA; Quix; Texas Songwriter; YHAOS
Sorry to take so long to get back to you. I've been swamped.

me: By the way, “The Lord” is the translation of the Hebrew YHvH which means “He IS.”

you: No, it means the Existence, just as the Greek equivalent ΟΩΝ. There is no gender or person in it.

Gender is irrelevant in the phrase "He IS."

First from AISH: Writing the Torah

The Tetragrammaton (YHVH) is used as a proper name of God, denoting Him as the ultimate Source of all existence, high above the universe and its laws. The Tetragrammaton is therefore interpreted to mean that God "was, is and will be," indicating that He is outside the realm of space, time and all other attributes of nature. Therefore, when the Tetragrammaton is used in relation to man, it indicates that God is acting in mercy, transcending all the rules of providence.

And then, from the Jewish Encyclopedia

In appearance, Yhwh () is the third person singular imperfect "ḳal" of the verb ("to be"), meaning, therefore, "He is," or "He will be," or, perhaps, "He lives," the root idea of the word being,probably, "to blow," "to breathe," and hence, "to live." With this explanation agrees the meaning of the name given in Ex. iii. 14, where God is represented as speaking, and hence as using the first person—"I am" (, from , the later equivalent of the archaic stem ). The meaning would, therefore, be "He who is self-existing, self-sufficient," or, more concretely, "He who lives," the abstract conception of pure existence being foreign to Hebrew thought. There is no doubt that the idea of life was intimately connected with the name Yhwh from early times. He is the living God, as contrasted with the lifeless gods of the heathen, and He is the source and author of life (comp. I Kings xviii.; Isa. xli. 26-29, xliv. 6-20; Jer. x. 10, 14; Gen. ii. 7; etc.). So familiar is this conception of God to the Hebrew mind that it appears in the common formula of an oath, "ḥai Yhwh" (= "as Yhwh lives"; Ruth iii. 13; I Sam. xiv. 45; etc.).

God's Name is I AM, YHvH, He IS, Alpha, Omega...

I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty. - Revelation 1:8


824 posted on 10/01/2010 9:16:20 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Alamo-Girl

Fascinating. Thx Thx.


825 posted on 10/01/2010 9:42:31 PM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: marron
the essence of the current mob of vandals

This is the most important insight we must make.

Obama isn't the problem, but a symptom of it. He can help us focus, but we need a Congress of Constitutionalists serving for decades to restore the promise of the American Revolution.

The American Jacobins must be crushed and forever. We must regain our country, and the minds of our children.

The Left knows this in the way a predator stalks its prey looking for weakness. Conservatives cannot ever quit, ever.

826 posted on 10/01/2010 9:48:58 PM PDT by 1010RD (First Do No Harm)
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To: YHAOS; kosta50
Hi Kosta, I hate to pile on, but in addition to the forementioned facts (conveniently left out of modern schooling on American history) the quote you used continues:

"As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity, of Musselmen; and as the said States never have entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mehomitan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries."

The purpose of which is to make clear that the Treaty of Tripoli is between governments and not religious powers. That is America wants its ships and commerce left alone, period. Christianity or Islam have nothing to do with it. End of point.

That's the context and the only context the POTUS Adam's comment should be understood.

827 posted on 10/01/2010 10:13:03 PM PDT by 1010RD (First Do No Harm)
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To: betty boop

You are an excellent writing and clear thinker. Great history and very well presented.


828 posted on 10/01/2010 10:19:43 PM PDT by 1010RD (First Do No Harm)
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To: kosta50; betty boop; Wallop the Cat; Alamo-Girl; YHAOS; Dr. Eckleburg; xzins; TXnMA; hosepipe
In other words, the Government of the United States is not a theocratic government

Kosta is explicitly correct here. When America behaves as a theocracy is when it falters. See the current group of theocrats in the WH & Congress enforcing their beliefs on the nation.

That America was founded at all, most certainly came about because it was Christian and founded by Christians on Christian ideals.

Among all the nations of the world and across every religion in the world there is no other "America", no other bastion of liberty. Maybe Hong Kong comes close. That's proof enough that Christianity, along with the grace of God made the difference here.

829 posted on 10/01/2010 10:36:20 PM PDT by 1010RD (First Do No Harm)
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To: kosta50
At the same time American industrialist had no moral problems with 16-hour a day child labor or practically slave-like conditions in which people lived and worked in northern industrial quarters.

For this to make sense what was life like on the farm? It was in many cases 24 hours of work. It was harsh and often ended in death, serious injury and chronic/permanent disability. Almost all the improvement in human longevity in the modern age has come about by the reduction in child mortality.

The conditions in northern industrial factories were better than life on the farm. Plus, northern industrialists started out with model communities that improved peoples lives.

As immigration picked up you had a surplus population. This lead to poorer working conditions and exploitation. It wasn't a trade off from slavery, but a natural function of supply and demand.

830 posted on 10/01/2010 10:59:31 PM PDT by 1010RD (First Do No Harm)
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To: KC Burke

Very good and clarifying. The nature of American Government is against religious bigotry and toward respect for conscience.

That said virtue, objective virtue, is a necessary perquisite to liberty. The Christian model performs admirably compared to any other religion in the world.

America was not and could not be founded by Atheists, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, or etc.


831 posted on 10/01/2010 11:06:44 PM PDT by 1010RD (First Do No Harm)
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To: 1010RD
Thank you for sharing your insights, dear 1010RD!
832 posted on 10/02/2010 5:43:08 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Alamo-Girl

Thanks. I learn ten times more than I give. You guys are terrific and really have great insights.


833 posted on 10/02/2010 6:06:34 AM PDT by 1010RD (First Do No Harm)
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To: 1010RD
I feel the same way. This forum has been a blessing to me for a very long time.
834 posted on 10/02/2010 7:05:01 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: 1010RD; betty boop; Alamo-Girl
Jesus came to make literally all religion obsolete,, AND DID...
The founders of America spoke of GOD.. which God?.. they didnt say..
They left it up to you which one you wanted.. (or NOT)

This planet has many Gods.. to choose from..
The Jewish one, the Roman catholic one, various other orthodox sects have their Gods too.. The Buddhists, Hindus, Muslims, Scientologists, JW's, Mormons, all have their Gods and more even....

They all have their Gods and Cargo Cults.. with appropriate cargoes..
Its all quite primitive.. really..

One would expect the atheists to appreciate Jesus and his efforts.. they don't..
For they have cargos of their own.. multifarious with variations..
For they are sheep too bleating with an accent..

Jesus was and is a genius for creating a self sorting mechanizm to which people self sort themselves into Cargo Cults..

Is God cool or WHAT?..

835 posted on 10/02/2010 8:35:07 AM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: Alamo-Girl; betty boop

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836 posted on 10/02/2010 9:52:57 AM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...)
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To: hosepipe; SunkenCiv
Excellent observations IMHO. Although I've occasionally engaged in it myself, I'm a little surprised some of our finest Freepers have gotten caught up in a legalistic debate about the character of God who can not be fully characterized by we mortals. Our best efforts can only yield a limited understanding acquired from our personal, individual discernment of His truth. I pray it's enough. We do not possess the vocabulary, or for that matter, any other means to contain His essense in a box. To suggest He is not big enough to be found by all who seek Him, regardless of their paths, is a product of Man's pride IMHO.

One thing I believe is certain; we will all stand before Him one day, alone, and come face to face with the reality that He is everything we suspected He might be and more; much more.

Thanks for the ping Civ!

837 posted on 10/02/2010 4:50:05 PM PDT by ForGod'sSake (You have just two choices: SUBMIT or RESIST with everything you've got!)
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To: hosepipe
Thank you so much for sharing your insights, dear brother in Christ!

Some sheep prefer pens, some prefer the open pasture (Psalms 23.)

838 posted on 10/02/2010 8:08:46 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: 1010RD
the Treaty of Tripoli is between governments and not religious powers.

Further, the Barbary Coast powers held the peculiar policy that any country not having a “peace” treaty with them were considered to be at war. Obtaining a peace treaty required an annual “gift” to the ruling poo-paas. The Barbary Coast states were running a shakedown racket. It was a method of extracting tribute or, failing a payment, an excuse to pursue piracy under the pretext of honorable warfare.

Moreover, it seems that the Tripoli treaty was initiated under the Washington Administration and was drawn up by Joel Barlow. Reportedly, the draft in possession of Tripoli did not contain the wording at issue. Nor can any such language be found in similar treaties with Algiers and Tunis. Nor is it entirely clear that Adams (or Washington) ever saw the language of the “peace” treaty version voted on by the Senate.

Thanks for your views and the support you offer.

839 posted on 10/03/2010 11:28:34 AM PDT by YHAOS (you betcha!)
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To: YHAOS

Thanks. I didn’t know about Washington’s role in all that.

If you see other items like this or other debates like this I’d like you to ping me if you remember to.

Best regards,
1010


840 posted on 10/03/2010 1:05:16 PM PDT by 1010RD (First Do No Harm)
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