Posted on 07/25/2010 1:37:12 PM PDT by betty boop
EXCELLENT POINTS INDEED.
It seems to me, dearest sister in Christ, that the Terror has already begun....
And so I too say:
Maranatha, Jesus!!!
Totally duplicitous, if you ask me.
Maybe back in the day of the Caliph, things were more rational and humane. But since the rise of Wahabbism as the reining Islamic orthodoxy, it seems things have been running downhill in the Muslim world, back to the 12th century at least. And Taliban, I imagine, haven't thunk themselves out of the 7th century yet....
We did not choose these people as our enemies. They chose us.
We as a people cannot long pretend that this is not so, without putting ourselves and everything we believe in and care about into mortal jeopardy.
If one is in the Lord and attempts to discern the weltenschauung of those who are not in the Lord it is “complicated”. The complication, however, arises from trying to make sense of nonsense. Better to dismiss atheism, pantheism, spiritualism, agnosticism and etc. out of hand and without furthur ado. It is not worth considering because they are born of confusion and false doctrine. It is only difficult if it is necessary to understand nonsense.
I am perfectly happy to talk with an agnostic. My conversation, however, will always be to express my faith, never to try to reason with or create a bridge of understanding.
There is no bridge to the truth. It requires, in Tillich’s words, a leap of faith. One must literally throw oneself into the abyss by giving up the personal quest for truth and acknowledge that God alone can provide Truth.
To put it another way, Faith in God is not reasonable. Jesus taught that the world can not know the truth. Only by abandoning the world and all it has to offer can one enter the Holy of Holies, the Ground of Truth.
In this very exquisite sense, Christians are completely unreasonable and, in the world’s terms, insane. (Ploughing a little deep here.)
All of this matters because we must destroy the authority of progressivism. How else to do this than to refuse to dialog on levels that cannot end progressive tyranny. I will not discuss any issue without laying claim to Christ as the foundation of truth.
If a policy does not contrubute to a deeper understanding of the sovreignty of God it is false and not worth consideration. Walter Williams gave a perfect illustration of this subbing for Rush today. He discussed government redistribution as a violation of free enterprise and the Commandment to not steal. It is in direct violation of Judeo Christian principles.
By granting even an iota of reasonableness to progressives the gates of Hell are thrown wide open. There is nothing right or true about conditions in our government today. Because nothing that is being done is born of a knowledge of Christ - notwithstanding madam Pelosi’s favor for The Word - it must all be torn down and dumped on the ash bin of history.
The difference between this attitude and the dominant attitude of the French Revolution is clear. The French were all about destroying their heritage. We are all about ending the reign of terror of those who are seeking to destroy our heritage.
This is a war between wars. The 2 great revolutions are met on a field in our time. One will prevail.
Totally duplicitous, if you ask me.
Maybe back in the day of the Caliph, things were more rational and humane. But since the rise of Wahabbism as the reining Islamic orthodoxy, it seems things have been running downhill in the Muslim world, back to the 12th century at least. And Taliban, I imagine, haven’t thunk themselves out of the 7th century yet....
We did not choose these people as our enemies. They chose us.
We as a people cannot long pretend that this is not so, without putting ourselves and everything we believe in and care about into mortal jeopardy.
INDEED. INDEED.
What you're left with is witness, just as you say, dear Amos. Your witness may not do a thing for people who refuse to be persuaded. But it might be of great help to others, those not yet thoroughly indoctrinated into such life- and reason-denying ideologies.
And of course, that witness must be of our Lord, Jesus Christ — Who is the Son of God, the Word of God Alpha and Omega, Who was God, and was with God in the Beginning, by and for Whom all Creation heavenly and earthly was made.... That witness preeminently must take the form of living in His Law, in His Love.
Thank you so much for sharing your insights, dearest sister in Christ!
I understand the Dome of the Rock didn't become a "holy site" to Muslims until 1939. And Israel became a state in 1948.
Maranatha, Jesus!!!
Thank you for sharing your insights, dearest sister in Christ!
WOW.
I didn’t know it was that recent a change, either.
What brazen arrogant greedy ruthlessness from hell . . .
they wallow in it and fling it vigorously all over anyone else nearby . . . all they consider lessers to themselves—which is automatically everyone.
Arrogance to the max.
Evil indeed.
Thx.
INDEED.
LORD . . . YOU PROMISED TO NEVER LEAVE NOR FORSAKE US. AND TO TAKE US TO BE WITH YOU.
Yesterday would not be too soon, Lord.
betty: Notwithstanding, it seems fair to note that not all ignorance is “willful.
Spirited: Agreed. Today there exists a rather small group of individuals who are willfully self-deceived. Having chosen darkness they are today the source of widespread deception. Then there are the deceived masses, the dupes of the former. That said however, our Lord always provides Light to those who are in the dark, upon which the ones in darkness then have a choice: choose either to receive Light or reject it. To reject Light is an act of will, which means that the dupe is no longer a victim of deception but a willful chooser of darkness.
Amen, sweet sister. Though we are in the Lord we may choose to disobey His guidance.
My beloved friends in the black community have been willingly deceived. Few are able to admit it.
Not all are simply concerned about themselves. Many chose to believe that Obama could not do real harm and his election would be a joyous milestone in our nation's history. He has become a bitter pill for many.
There is a powerful Christian spirit in the black community. It will not be long denied. I grieve with them and pray for mutual healing between brothers and sisters in Christ that we may walk together in the Light.
Well put.
I AGREE.
THX.
Responding to my observation that you seem incapable of looking past doctrine to see values, you ask, “What doctrine?”
We’ve dealt in this thread with one instance of the issue previously (see #338, #320, & #235), where your only response to the Judeo-Christian values expressed by the Founding Fathers in their philosophy of government, was to declare that they were not really real Christians because they didn’t subscribe to the formalism and the doctrinal standards you’ve erected to determine who is “truly” Christian and who is not. Even if you are dead-on accurate (which you are not) in your assessment that the Founding Fathers (or at least some of them) were not Christian, that would have no bearing on their declarations that America, its government, and the Revolutionary Act were founded on Christian values. They should know. It is they who created it.
Turning to another example:
Elsewhere in this thread you’ve declared that might always makes right. This is an inevitable consequence of Agnostic and Atheist thought wherein the only values that count are distilled down to the conclusion that “might always makes right.” To declare that “might always makes right” is to confess that Western Civilization had to wait until May of 1945 to know that opposing the evil of fascist Germany was the moral and right thing to do and that we had to wait even longer (until August) to know that opposing the evil of imperialist Japan was the moral and right thing to do.
Likewise then, we must admit that Cortés was right to loot and utterly devastate the Aztec civilization. Might, after all, always makes right. Despite the fact that Cortés was able to achieve his remarkable conquest by enlisting the aid of willing native peoples who had themselves been subject to the vicious degradations of the Aztecs, I know of no one who believes Cortés to have been in the right (surely there must be someone somewhere who does). But, according to the doctrine of Might always makes right it has to be true that anyone who dissents from the doctrine must be dead wrong.
By the same token we cannot deny the right of Islamic lunatics to crash very large jet planes into very tall buildings and to kill thousands of innocent people. Nor can we deny these same lunatics the right to turn the entire Middle East into a desert cesspool have they the power to do it. But, we may not dissent from the indisputable. Might always makes right.
There are, I believe, literally thousands of instances where values clashes with doctrine. Yet no variance between values and doctrine disturbs your mind, raising issues with the certainty of your assertion that might always makes right. You seem convinced that the conflict of right and might exists only in our heads.
And, I must express my absolute astonishment that you seem unable to comprehend that the Founders’ expression ‘a more perfect union’ refers not to the impossible task of improving perfection, but simply means constructing a union more closely approaching perfection. Do you truly not understand the meaning of their expression, or find it awkward?
With respect to Ayn Rand and your suggestion that we not go there because “the reality of life shows that such absolute statement are abjectly false, or just plain unrealistic,” I would ask you that do these abjectly false absolute statements include such absolutes as might always makes right?
Rand’s point is that there is no compromise with evil save abject surrender. She illustrates her point by asking, what compromise is possible between a vial of poison and a glass of water.
Precisely so.
Well said.
Well done.
THX.
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