Posted on 07/25/2010 3:35:08 AM PDT by GonzoII
The Council of Ephesus did. A council of the bishops of the ecumenical Church.
Who affirmed you?
“that you Catholics are sloppy in your use of terminology because by saying “God” without further specification of the Person to which you are referring, you are basically affirming that all three Persons were in Mary’s womb “
Actually I did specify the Son.
I just said that if she carried the Son she carried God because the Second Person is fully God. That’s Nicea.
Or are you an Arian rather than a Nestorian? At least Nestorius accepted Nicea. He just thought that the only way Christ could be fully human was to be both a human person and divine person.
We “Catholics” (you left out the Eastern Orthodox) believe He was a single divine Person with a full human nature united to himself. The “self” was divine, second Person, Son. The Father is a different Person but equally God. The Spirit is a different Person but equally God. The Second Person carried by Mary doesn’t have to have the Father and Son incarnated with him in order to be God.
God the Son was incarnated in Mary. Not schizoided. She was God’s mother. Not the Father’s mother nor the Spirit’s mother but the Second Person Incarnate’s mother. God’s mother.
Period.
“And more laudatory titles than ever seem afforded to Jesu”
Sorry, bud, but you obviously have never read the Litany of the Holy Name of Jesus. It contains a similar set of laudatory titles
BUT
every single one of them is a divinity title.
And not a single one of the titles in the litany for Mary that you pasted in here is a divine title.
Not
a
single
one.
Every single one of them is a human title. Exalted human title, to be sure. But human.
And there are a dozen other litanies for Jesus. Don’t worry, we give him an awful lot more laudatory titles than Mary. All divine ones. And no divine ones for Mary.
Next time, read more closely what you cut and paste.
Well, since I believe that the human and divine essences were united in Christ, whatever else I may be, a Nestorian is obviously not it.
I have to wonder whether you even know what the terms being used in this discussion mean?
To say that Mary carried God does mean she carried Father and Son. Only a Sabellian would say that.
So wait a second, what are you saying? You seem to be affirming that Mary did indeed carry both Father and Son. Is that what you meant to say? Because if you did, then yes indeed, you are a Sabellian, since you apparently don't distinguish the positional differentiation of the Father and Son as separate Persons within the ontological unity of the trinitarian Godhead.
But then Nestorians accuse everyone else of Sabellianism.
LOL, that's an interesting idea. Nevermind that the Sabellians and the Nestorians were separated by several centuries, about two thousand miles, and dealt with completely different types of doctrinal controversies...
I notice you did not address the schizoid issue.
I have to admit, I didn't see what you wrote about the "schizoid issue" (but then again, I wasn't paying all that close attention to your posts).
Be a Nestorian, Chistotokian, whatever.
I'll just stick with biblical doctrine, thanks.
I’ll stick with Orthodoxy.
You'll have to find it, first, since you just semi-admitted to being a Sabellian above...
You mean like Isis?
“flawed Bibles such as the KJV with its many translation errors”
I’m curious to see these ‘translation errors’ and what translation do you use?
This is so amazing Daniell, the evidence speaks for itself anf yet so many Catholics still deny that their church elevates Mary equal to or higher than Christ...and in fact their leadership certainly does. It is difficult to understand holding to the idea of expecting Mary to do anything more than was revealed in God’s word. So many of these titles are Christ’s alone, which He certainly didn’t give to His mother.
Our house has been full of company, coming and going, randomly. So what I promised you I can now get to you, unhindered and undisturbed! Good to see you again! svitw
Good to see you, also!
After company, etc. it’s time to TAKE A REST NOW! ;)
Brilliantly put together, daniel1212. Once again, I am overwhelmed at your work and overwrought at the subject matter.
like the Semitic goddess Astarte. Known as Ishtar among the Babylonians, God condemned apostate Judah for worshipping her, even as the Roman Catholic Church does, under the title of "queen of heaven" (Jer. 7:18, 44:17-19,25). King Manasseh gave worship to the Tyrian goddess Asherah. He had a carved image of her set up in the house of the Lord (2 Kings21:7). For this abomination, God brought calamity on Jerusalem and Judah (2 Kings 21:12).
The council of Ephesus confirmed the council of Ephesus...Don't you think there might be something wrong with that picture???
Thank you for referencing worth titles for Jesus, and it seems He may have more, but as concerns deity, my references were to her being elevated to a demi-godess status, based upon statements seen in that post. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2558613/posts?page=159#159
It all depends upon your meaning of what the word “is”, is
It's also sloppy terminology. Saying that Jesus is God is not the same thing as saying that God is Jesus - which is what you're implicitly saying by the way you are using your terms.
God the Son was incarnated in Mary. Not schizoided. She was God’s mother. Not the Father’s mother nor the Spirit’s mother but the Second Person Incarnate’s mother. God’s mother.
Well, I'm glad to see that you haven't descended into heresy then (or at least deeper heresy than that which is already part and parcel with Catholicism). You're still extremely sloppy in your terminology.
The Apostle Paul said, "the kingdom of God is not meat and drink, but righteousness, peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost."
Those who truly experience the "new birth" Jesus spoke about, experience the "resurrection power of Christ" within them. God takes up residence in us, we become His temple.
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