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Can light rail keep young talent in Detroit? Project 'going to happen' with U.S. backing
MLive ^ | Friday, July 23, 2010 | Jonathan Oosting

Posted on 07/23/2010 10:31:08 AM PDT by Willie Green

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To: Quality_Not_Quantity
at least in cities that are already healthy and robust.

And just where would these cities of which you speak, be?

41 posted on 07/23/2010 12:16:09 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Willie Green; Religion Moderator

Why is this in the Religion Forum?


42 posted on 07/23/2010 12:18:24 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Willie Green; KevinDavis; narses; cripplecreek
"It's about economic development. Cities that I've been in that have a light rail system, you've seen all kinds of businesses pop up around the system itself -- whether it's the young people that are living in that area, whether there's entrepreneurs that come to the area."

Willie, Detroit is the result of 50 years of socialist thinking; you expect us to believe more socialist thinking will reverse the damage!

What's your rebuttal this time, Willie? Calling us "Newbies," calling us "Bigots," or threatening us with a pitchfork?

43 posted on 07/23/2010 12:18:53 PM PDT by Grizzled Bear (Does not play well with others)
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To: wiggen
Its not simply light rail that causes investment

Right, it's also tens of millions in government tax breaks.

44 posted on 07/23/2010 12:20:08 PM PDT by BfloGuy (It is not from the benevolence of the butcher, the brewer, or the baker, that we can expect . . .)
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To: wiggen
Its not simply light rail that causes investment

Right, it's also tens of millions in government tax breaks.

45 posted on 07/23/2010 12:20:14 PM PDT by BfloGuy (It is not from the benevolence of the butcher, the brewer, or the baker, that we can expect . . .)
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To: patton

No, it runs. It just doesn’t get used all that much because there is no need for it.


46 posted on 07/23/2010 12:20:26 PM PDT by Publius (Unless the Constitution is followed, it is simply a piece of paper.)
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To: Publius

Oh - my bad. All the hudreds of times I went to the RenCen, I never saw one move.


47 posted on 07/23/2010 12:22:52 PM PDT by patton (Obama has replaced "Res Publica" with "Quod licet Jovi non licet bovi.")
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To: Willie Green

Yeah, a toy train like the one in Houston that’s had hundreds of wrecks, caused numerous businesses to fail during its prolonged construction and which the poor support through their sales taxes even though they don’t ride it - yeah, that’s the ticket.

Additional socialism in Detroit is not “going to attract young people” unless they’re parasites. And the taxpayers will pick up the huge losses typical of such a system gladly, I’m sure.


48 posted on 07/23/2010 12:22:59 PM PDT by jimt
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To: org.whodat; Willie Green; darkwing104

Be careful! Willie says you’re a bigot if you’re intolerant of urban transit systems.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2557026/posts?page=36#36

It’s what every Marxist does when they run out of valid arguments!


49 posted on 07/23/2010 12:24:52 PM PDT by Grizzled Bear (Does not play well with others)
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To: trisham

It’s probably because I have crappy bifocals.


50 posted on 07/23/2010 12:26:34 PM PDT by Willie Green (Save Money: Build High-Speed Rail & Maglev and help permanently ground Air Force One!!!)
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To: Grizzled Bear

They can’t even find the funding for a demonstration communter service on existing rail between Ann Arbor and Detroit. Even their best estimates can’t get the cost of a ticket below $70 per rider.

My brother in law works downtown in Detroit for Compuware and he says he won’t ride a train when his Toyota will get him there faster at a fraction of the cost. He’s a liberal and even he says it isn’t worth wasting the money on.


51 posted on 07/23/2010 12:29:17 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: Willie Green
That group says a similar 3.6 mile light rail project in Portland cost $103 million to construct and resulted in roughly $2.5 billion in local development.

Yeah, build a toy train and money starts falling from the sky, donchaknow.

This a flat out LIE. Every one of these stupid light rail projects is a MAJOR loser. They always require HUGE taxpayer subsidies. The one here in Houston caused many businesses to fail because their customers were kept away by toy train construction. Our toy train's had over 100 wrecks, none of which were cheap or free. Our toy train has hosed downtown traffic.

The only folks who stand to make money are the "engineering" companies who make millions off of their "studies", the very few who manipulate property values under the table, and of course the bloated bureaucracy that operates the system.

Everybody else LOSES.

52 posted on 07/23/2010 12:31:04 PM PDT by jimt
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To: Publius
A century ago, the real estate developers who created Los Angeles built the high-speed electric interurban rail lines that connected and serviced the new towns they built. Note that it was entrepreneurs that built the lines that were merged into the Pacific Electric in 1911, not any governmental entity.

Astonishingly enough, the did this without providing free Wi-Fi!

53 posted on 07/23/2010 12:32:23 PM PDT by Grizzled Bear (Does not play well with others)
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To: trisham
It's probably in the Religion Forum because to many, light rail is a religion. I ran across that belief in my rail advocacy days here in Seattle.

I see light rail as a possible rail-based solution to a transportation problem -- if applicable. Sometimes it just isn't the right solution. Detroit is a good example.

54 posted on 07/23/2010 12:32:54 PM PDT by Publius (Unless the Constitution is followed, it is simply a piece of paper.)
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To: nasube
“Light rail” sounds awfully Eurocentric......

It's a better way to travel than being crammed onto a private Mexican bus with goats and chickens.

55 posted on 07/23/2010 12:33:20 PM PDT by Willie Green (Save Money: Build High-Speed Rail & Maglev and help permanently ground Air Force One!!!)
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To: Willie Green
"It's about economic development. Cities that I've been in that have a light rail system, you've seen all kinds of businesses pop up around the system itself -- whether it's the young people that are living in that area, whether there's entrepreneurs that come to the area."

Cleveland's got light rail. They've had it since the Van Sweringan built parts of the Cleveland Rapid Transit System. Over a time span from 1920 to 1930, they built (without government money, I might add) what is now part of the "green line", stretching from Shaker Square to Public Square and later, the Terminal Tower in downtown Cleveland.

Despite this extensive development, the only things "popping up" around Cleveland these days are "for sale" signs and "foreclosure" signs.

Light rail made great sense when few people had an automobile. They still make sense in a few large, very densely populated areas like New York and Chicago. But they make no sense at all for the vast majority of people in this country, particularly when the cost of the system prohibits it from being built in an even remotely convenient manner for most peoples' travelling needs.

56 posted on 07/23/2010 12:34:09 PM PDT by meyer (Big government is the enemy of freedom.)
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To: Publius

You’re probably right. :)


57 posted on 07/23/2010 12:35:34 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Willie Green

Light rail or a Mexican bus? Those are the only 2 choices you can come up with? LOL!


58 posted on 07/23/2010 12:36:02 PM PDT by Ditter
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To: trisham; Willie Green
Why is this in the Religion Forum?

Because imposing socialist train wet dreams on the populace is Willie's religion ?

You'd think so.

59 posted on 07/23/2010 12:36:28 PM PDT by jimt
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To: cripplecreek

What about “The People Mover?” Didn’t “The People Mover” aid in the redistribution of wealth?


60 posted on 07/23/2010 12:36:44 PM PDT by Grizzled Bear (Does not play well with others)
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