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Posted on 07/18/2010 4:27:06 PM PDT by restornu
“But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods or no God.”
But then, Jefferson was not a Christian, but a deist.
For a neighbor to practice their worship of whichever
deities they wish, no harm is done - and they may be
great neighbors.
For that neighbor to deceive others by pretending to be
a Christian religion when they are not, harm is done.
Christians have a legitimate reason to expose the evil.
ampu
Second President Brigham Young,
“I know that Joseph Smith is a Prophet of God, that this is the Gospel of salvation, and if you do not believe it you will be damned, every one of you” (Journal of Discourses 4:298, March 29, 1857).
On October 9, 1859, Young said,
“From the day that the Priesthood was taken from the earth to the winding-up scene of all things, every man and woman must have the certificate of Joseph Smith, junior, as a passport to their entrance into the mansion where God and Christ are — I with you and you with me. I cannot go there without his consent” (Journal of Discourses 7:289).
“He (Joseph Smith) is the man through whom God has spoken... yet I would not like to call him a savior, though in a certain capacity he was a god to us, and is to the nations of the earth, and will continue to be.” - Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses 8:321
“You call us fools; but the day will be, gentlemen and ladies, whether you belong to this Church or not, when you will prize brother Joseph Smith as the Prophet of the Living God, and look upon him as a god...” - Herber C. Kimball, Journal of Discourses 5:88
“If we get our salvation, we shall have to pass by him [Joseph Smith]; if we enter our glory, it will be through the authority he has received. We cannot get around him [Joseph Smith]” - (as quoted in 1988 Melchizedek Priesthood Study Guide, p. 142)
There is “no salvation without accepting Joseph Smith. If Joseph Smith was verily a prophet, and if he told the truth...no man can reject that testimony without incurring the most dreadful consequences, for he cannot enter the kingdom of God” - Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 1, p.190
“I tell you, Joseph holds the keys, and none of us can get into the celestial kingdom without passing by him. We have not got rid of him, but he stands there as the sentinel, holding the keys of the kingdom of God; and there are many of them beside him. I tell you, if we get past those who have mingled with us, and know us best, and have a right to know us best, probably we can pass all other sentinels as far as it is necessary, or as far as we may desire. But I tell you, the pinch will be with those that have mingled with us, stood next to us, weighed our spirits, tried us, and proven us: there will be a pinch, in my view, to get past them. The others, perhaps, will say, If brother Joseph is satisfied with you, you may pass. If it is all right with him, it is all right with me. Then if Joseph shall say to a man, or if brother Brigham say to a man, I forgive you your sins, “Whosoever sins ye remit they are remitted unto them;” if you who have suffered and felt the weight of transgression—if you have generosity enough to forgive the sinner, I will forgive him: you cannot have more generosity than I have. I have given you power to forgive sins, and when the Lord gives a gift, he does not take it back again.” - Orson Hyde, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 6, p.154-155
I am sure your stepfather was a good man and blinded by this kind of stuff but I pray his eyes are open now.
Someone like Walter Martin can give someone the willies I am glad I had the witness of the Holy Ghost before I read his stuff.
I got butterflies and a forboden feeling and then as I ponder more and read the Bible and the Book of Mormon a gentle peace came upon me and when I read Martin the forboden feeling return
Fear and doubt is not of the Lord the scriptures say in
John 14
26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
27 Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.
28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.
Even in verse 28 Jesus testifies of His Father in Heaven which the world denies.
Had to scold a “bishop” and “elder” the other day for showing up at the door without calling ahead to “talk” to my wife.
They left with their tails between their legs and a lesson on proper etiquette and neighborliness.
They’ve not been back.
Then why do mormons demand to be called Christians? I grew up hearing mormon leaders speak about the "superiority" of mormonism bing the "one true church" and the "inferiority" of Christians, particularly Catholics.
It appears the attitude hasn't changed.
Premortal Life
Before we were born on the earth, we lived in the presence of our Heavenly Father as one of His spirit children. In this premortal existence, we attended a council with Heavenly Father's other spirit children. At that council, Heavenly Father presented His great plan of happiness (see Abraham 3:22–26).
In harmony with the plan of happiness, the premortal Jesus Christ, the Firstborn Son of the Father in the spirit, covenanted to be the Savior (see Moses 4:2; Abraham 3:27). Those who followed Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ were permitted to come to the earth to experience mortality and progress toward eternal life. Lucifer, another spirit son of God, rebelled against the plan and "sought to destroy the agency of man" (Moses 4:3). He became Satan, and he and his followers were cast out of heaven and denied the privileges of receiving a physical body and experiencing mortality (see Moses 4:4; Abraham 3:27–28).
Throughout our premortal lives, we developed our identity and increased our spiritual capabilities. Blessed with the gift of agency, we made important decisions, such as the decision to follow Heavenly Father's plan. These decisions affected our life then and now. We grew in intelligence and learned to love the truth, and we prepared to come to the earth, where we could continue to progress.
Mortal Life
We are now experiencing mortal life. Our spirits are united with our bodies, giving us opportunities to grow and develop in ways that were not possible in premortal life. This part of our existence is a time of learning in which we can prove ourselves, choose to come unto Christ, and prepare to be worthy of eternal life. It is also a time when we can help others find the truth and gain a testimony of the plan of salvation.
Life after Death
When we die, our spirits will enter the spirit world and await the resurrection. At the time of the resurrection, our spirit and body will reunite, and we will be judged and received into a kingdom of glory. The glory we inherit will depend on the depth of our conversion and our obedience to the Lord's commandments (see Kingdoms of Glory). It will depend on the manner in which we have "received the testimony of Jesus" (D&C 76:51; see also D&C 76:74, 79, 101).
Blessings through Knowledge of the Plan
A testimony of the plan of salvation can give us hope and purpose as we wrestle with the challenges of life. We can find reassurance in the knowledge that we are children of God and that we lived in His presence before being born on the earth. We can find meaning in our present life, knowing that our actions during mortality influence our eternal destiny. With this knowledge, we can base important decisions on eternal truths rather than on the changing circumstances of life. We can continually improve our relationships with family members, rejoicing in the promise that our families can be eternal. We can find joy in our testimonies of the Atonement and the Lord's commandments, ordinances, covenants, and doctrines, knowing that "he who doeth the works of righteousness shall receive his reward, even peace in this world, and eternal life in the world to come" (D&C 59:23).
“Fear and doubt is not of the Lord the scriptures say in”
“The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom.”
But if you believe different than your neighbor who does believe in millions of gods, it will do injury to him, and you’ll have let it happen. And for a Christian, part of the blame will be on your head, because you didn’t say anything but could have. If you say something and they reject it, the blame is all theirs.
AH, well. The last time I had a few Mormon missionaries drop in, God, gave me the perfect response:
“I would love to share my testimony with you, but not to discuss religion. You see, you have an unfair advantage. You are permitted to lie about your beliefs, and I need to tell the truth about mine.”
(for example, after the Mormon deity visited the Virgin Mary to beget Jesus, she weren’t no virgin no more!)
A certain man should get a grammar checker and a spell checker. What a doofus.
I don’t understand your post. It reads as if in the 3rd person but doesn’t sound like something you would post?
. . .Do not weep for us…but rather weep for yourselves and your children, for as sure as the Lord lives the evils that men seek to bring upon us, will return in due time upon their own heads, heaped up, pressed down and running over.
For it is an eternal law, and a law by which we are governed, that what measure we mete, shall be measured back to us again. Our nation knows not what awaits it; the Christian world knows not what awaits. . . . (John Taylor, JD 11:26,
Can one poster start a THREAD with a post from another poster without their permission.
Answering a question with a question, “magritte”?
Our nation knows not what awaits it; the Christian world knows not what awaits. . . . (John Taylor, JD 11:26,
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I think many know today we are living through it!
Catholics are Christians, Mormons are not (doctrinally). This isn’t about ‘standing together for conservatism’, this is about following Biblical commands to protect the sheep from the wolves.
2 Corinthians 11:12-13
And I will keep on doing what I am doing in order to cut the ground from under those who want an opportunity to be considered equal with us in the things they boast about. For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, masquerading as apostles of Christ.
Apparently.
Not being LDS I can’t speak for them, but relying on my reading of these threads and other things it seems like an obvious answer and really no great mystery...isn’t that your understanding of the whole point of LDS ?...magritte
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