Posted on 07/18/2010 6:04:05 AM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus
And that's when the true believers will be meeting at each other's houses, reading scripture and learning God's Word rightly divided. We will never be missed. THe Rapture will occur and the BIg Unity Church will continue on, unfazed. Hardly remembering those few who tried to tell them before it was too late.
Saved by works? Saved and then to purgatory? Need Mary to intercede for you? Prayers to and for the dead?
When did the Romanists take on the Mormon practice of baptizing the dead?
Did I miss the Encyclical?
Your ignorance of the Catholic Church is tragic, not for the Church, but for you and those who have told you those lies. From the Catechism of the Catholic Church"
169 - Salvation comes from God alone; but because we receive the life of faith through the Church, she is our mother: "We believe the Church as the mother of our new birth, and not in the Church as if she were the author of our salvation." Because she is our mother, she is also our teacher in the faith.
Nice try at a flip.
Obviously the point was, your point must be wrong unless you are doing so.
The Catholic Church IS His Church.
Don't start your victory dance until the final whistle. Your lack of Beatitude and the condemnation of things you show no evidence of understanding places your salvation in jeopardy.
I HAVE VICTORY! And celebrate the victory I HAVE in Jesus every day! Thank You, JESUS!
Your RCC teachings do NOT apply to me.
Funny, I thought you claimed to be a Christian. From the Catechism of the Catholic Church:
When he comes at the end of time to judge the living and the dead, the glorious Christ will reveal the secret disposition of hearts and will render to each man according to his works, and according to his acceptance or refusal of grace.
Every man receives his eternal recompense in his immortal soul from the moment of his death in a particular judgment by Christ, the judge of the living and the dead.
Some are covenantal, some dispensationalist, some TULIP, some Arminian, some Unitarian. Some withdraw from the world, while others are right in there pitching. Some think buttons are wrong! (Personally, I think the zipper could stand an upgrade, but I don't make a religion of it.)
So to the unregenerate D00d-in-the-street, what do you say about where he should go to find the right answer? Seriously, I won't jump on you. I want to know your thoughts.
When one discovers that the mattress store has a “For Two Weeks Only” sale every other week, the pressure is off.
Now, clearly the whole thing is going to wrap up one way or another at some point. But I guess I was soured on the “Act Now” school of apocalypticism by the Jehovah's Witnesses. Like the Millerites before them, they “proved” that the end, or the beginning of the end, was going to happen on such and such a day.
And then it didn't. So some of them reinterpreted what they had been so very certain of the month before to show that some imperceptible cataclysm had taken place, just as predicted!, but in the heavenly places, where no one could tell if it had happened or not. It wasn't the exact cataclysm they had been so certain of, but they were even more certain now.
When I first encountered the JW’s in 1971 they were certain of something big that was just coming up, I seem to recall that before the decade was out everything was going to finished, but maybe I don't recall the timing exactly.
But is it possible, and if so how, from the outside to determine (a) whether, in seeming disagreement with the Lord — but no doubt some dispensationalist explanation could be given for His disclaimer of knowledge, it is proper to propose timetables; and (b) if it is, whose timetable is right and how do I know?
And in any event, while Protestants and non-Catholics, in general, downplay their differences and “distinctives”, yet they still seem important enough to those who hold them that they split congregations and organizations.
So who is right and how is one to know? When someone with a covenantal view meets a dispensationalist, what should the onlookers be looking for?
All of a sudden he's the hero and the Catholic church is claiming him? I must have missed the press release.
Does that mean you guys are now going to recognize his writings as Scripture as Peter himself did?
When he comes at the end of time to judge the living and the dead, the glorious Christ will reveal the secret disposition of hearts and will render to each man according to his works, and according to his acceptance or refusal of grace. Every man receives his eternal recompense in his immortal soul from the moment of his death in a particular judgment by Christ, the judge of the living and the dead.
So in essense, Faith plus Works(cooperation) for salvation?
Some are covenantal, some dispensationalist, some TULIP, some Arminian, some Unitarian. Some withdraw from the world, while others are right in there pitching. Some think buttons are wrong! (Personally, I think the zipper could stand an upgrade, but I don't make a religion of it.) So to the unregenerate D00d-in-the-street, what do you say about where he should go to find the right answer? Seriously, I won't jump on you. I want to know your thoughts.
There are a couple of things.
First most protestant churches do not recognize an office higher than Elder or Overseer, so biblically we do not see a prescription for a hierarchy of oversight past the local church. We all have Jesus Christ as our Head.
The most important thing is most protestant churches believe that Salvation is by Grace thru Faith alone. That is the distinguishing mark of being a true Christian church and a true believer.
The differences with other churches are minor, I call the Arminian, the reformed, the covenental, the dispensationalist, my Brother in the Lord. I certainly might not see eye to eye with some in regards to certain things, but who cares? As long as the GOSPEL is believed, the regenerate are TRULY united in the TRUE CHURCH(called out ones) of His body in CHRIST.
Why do I NEED to see every little thing identically with everyone? We are not judged by our accuracy in the "hard sayings", but by wether we have been KNOWN by the LORD. Those minor issues will be rectified by the Lord in Heaven, which we might not even care at that point.
There are many such churches with identicle theology but without an over riding denomination affiliation. Oddly, these churches are counted as individual denoms by some accountings (kinda silly).
Obviously, other churches split over the color of the carpet. Sinners, sin. Blaming Sola Scriptura for that is nuts. Many of these problems occure because of the LACK of SOLA Scriptura.
So to the unregenerate D00d-in-the-street, what do you say about where he should go to find the right answer?
I would suggest any protestant church that preaches and teaches the Word of God and Faith in Christ Alone.
MD - it goes well beyond that. non-Catholics derive their identity and their reason for existence from their stance in opposition to the Catholic Church. Regardless of the very real difference between them they cannot acknowledge anything good of valid about Catholicism for fear of diminishing their opposition and identity. It should come as no surprise that the anti-Catholics among them believe and act in the understanding that the Church is the greatest evil. A review of their posting histories will show that they ignore Islam, Communism, Fascism, and Satan worship unless it is in the context of linking them to the Church.
I thought you said you had actually studied the Catechism.
182 We believe all "that which is contained in the word of God, written or handed down, and which the Church proposes for belief as divinely revealed". (hint: this includes the letters of Paul).
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