Posted on 07/18/2010 6:04:05 AM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus
Are you saying they didn’t want him in Rome?
That’s the way you see it. We differ on honoring Jesus’ mother.
I think we can and will have to just live with our differences.
Do you believe in the Trinity??? Define the Trinity...
Well, I think in this case the key part of it is the Divinity of Christ. It’s one way of asking: “Is Jesus Divine?”
I think this is likely the big sticking point in that particular back-and-forth.
“Mary was
NOT AT ALL
THE MOTHER OF ALMIGHTY GOD!”
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Yes, she was, and no matter how many times you say she wasn’t , or how many colored fonts and giant letters you use, or how many geometric shapes you arrange them in, or how many BRAZEN and HORRIFIC slurs you splatter on the page, you’ll get the same exact result.
Mary is the Mother of God.
INDEED!
March 8???? Did you watch it? How could that be when it was just shot on August 2?????
I don't know if God thought it was necessary, but He certainly decided it was fitting that Mary be immaculate, preserved from original sin.
Remember, the teaching is NOT that Mary didn't need a Savior. The teaching is that she was freed BEFOREHAND from sin and saved, in anticipation of the merits of her Son on the Cross.
That was the Franciscan opinion, I believe, for centuries. The question on how she could have been saved before the Redemption had been argued for a long time.
We were saved AFTER we had fallen into the pit (of original sin). Mary was saved BEFORE she could fall in, by a singular grace and privilege of Almighty God.
Nope...You think you can kill God by sticking a spear into Him???
IF you believe anything at all in the bible, you ought to believe that we have a soul and spirit as well as a fleshy body...
Someone may kill your body but your soul will live...Same with Jesus...
Mat 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
Heb 2:16 For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.
Heb 2:17 Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.
It's getting clear to me that your religion is the heretic when it comes to the Trinity (and most every thing else)...
That’s quite a post, thank you, PNSN.
God be with you and all your loved ones.
Joya
“”I prefer the title “Mother of the Incarnate Word” Arius notwithstanding.””
This is pretty much what the Church teaches ,dear sister. It’s not wrong to call Mary Mother of God though and one should have no problem saying so.
From Pope John Paul II
http://www.ewtn.com/library/papaldoc/jp2bvm37.htm
Now, the difficulties and objections raised by Nestorius offer us the opportunity to make several useful reflections for correctly understanding and interpreting this title. The expression Theotókos, which literally means, “she who has begotten God”, can at first sight seem surprising; in fact it raises the question as to how it is possible for a human creature to give birth to God. The answer of the Church’s faith is clear: Mary’s divine motherhood refers only to the human begetting of the Son of God but not, however, to his divine birth. The Son of God was eternally begotten of God the Father, and is consubstantial with him. Mary, of course, has no part in this eternal birth. However, the Son of God assumed our human nature 2,000 years ago and was conceived by and born of Mary.
In proclaiming Mary “Mother of God”, the Church thus intends to affirm that she is the “Mother of the Incarnate Word, who is God”. Her motherhood does not, therefore, extend to all the Trinity, but only to the Second Person, the Son, who, in becoming incarnate, took his human nature from her.
Motherhood is a relationship of person to person: a mother is not only mother of the body or of the physical creature born of her womb, but of the person she begets. Thus having given birth, according to his human nature, to the person of Jesus, who is a divine person, Mary is the Mother of God.
Thank you, and we did hear about this ... a freeper a while ago posted something from
that indicated if the floor collapses and water goes into the hole, it will be heated to a high temp, above boiling, will “erupt” back out, and cause a tsunami along the Gulf coast going inland from fifty to two hundred miles.
Thanks again, good catch on your part.
Mary gave birth to Jesus.
Jesus was sinless.
Mary was immaculately conceived.
FAIL.......”
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That's not the argument at all. You've completely mangled it and inserted
something completely extraneous in place of it in order to take another cheap, gratuitous shot at the Church.
The argument was whether it could be logical to call Mary the Mother of God.
Mad Dawg’s post involved a discussion of this point. Your post has nothing to do with the topic at hand.
At least show some basic honesty when you post here. Did you not think we can easily call up the previous post on our screens?
Really, now!
Thanks, Joya! I caught it on L.A. Marzulli’s site and am getting ready to listen to his radio program on American Voice Radio. Maybe he’ll be discussing it (among other things).
http://lamarzulli.wordpress.com/
If you refuse to answer that most simple and non-controversial of questions, then the only reasonable conclusion is that you’re a Unitarian of some sort.
Trinity...Yes or No?
And don’t cop out with the silly objection that it might compromise your privacy on the web.
I know that what you guys do is not the same as what your guys say you do...
And when your religion says, in writing, that the sacrifice you point to is in the future, I know that you are talking about sacrificing Jesus AGAIN...
But go ahead...It's your story...Tell it any way you want...
THANK YOU, Joya!
That’s ok.
Thanks for your reply.
John 21: 1 1 After this, Jesus revealed himself again to his disciples at the Sea of Tiberias. He revealed himself in this way. 2 Together were Simon Peter, Thomas called Didymus, Nathanael from Cana in Galilee, Zebedee's sons, 2 and two others of his disciples. 3 3 Simon Peter said to them, "I am going fishing." They said to him, "We also will come with you." So they went out and got into the boat, but that night they caught nothing. 4 When it was already dawn, Jesus was standing on the shore; but the disciples did not realize that it was Jesus. 5 Jesus said to them, "Children, have you caught anything to eat?" They answered him, "No." 6 So he said to them, "Cast the net over the right side of the boat and you will find something." So they cast it, and were not able to pull it in because of the number of fish. 7 So the disciple whom Jesus loved said to Peter, "It is the Lord." When Simon Peter heard that it was the Lord, he tucked in his garment, for he was lightly clad, and jumped into the sea. 8 The other disciples came in the boat, for they were not far from shore, only about a hundred yards, dragging the net with the fish.
9 4 When they climbed out on shore, they saw a charcoal fire with fish on it and bread. 10 Jesus said to them, "Bring some of the fish you just caught." 11 So Simon Peter went over and dragged the net ashore full of one hundred fifty-three 5 large fish. Even though there were so many, the net was not torn. 12 Jesus said to them, "Come, have breakfast." And none of the disciples dared to ask him, 6 "Who are you?" because they realized it was the Lord. 13 Jesus came over and took the bread and gave it to them, and in like manner the fish. 14 7 This was now the third time Jesus was revealed to his disciples after being raised from the dead.
So; the Apostles didn't recognize Jesus after all that time. The Scriptures are there for all the heathen and pagan to read. Too bad it doesn't really appeal to the heretics.
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